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[–] DonnaFemina 2 points Edited

That essay is insane. Holy shit, someone actually wrote this in all seriousness: "Cisgender people have a unique power over their trans siblings. No other marginalized group of people can have their humanity erased simply by using a different pronoun or an old name."

Your HUMANITY is ERASED when someone calls you by the wrong name? Or a pronoun you don't prefer? Wow, people, you're not women but you certainly are drama queens.

Marginalized my ass. They have more clout that most elected officials.

[–] crispycherrypie 11 points Edited

Anne Rogers • 4 years ago

Rachel Dolezal is black, refer to her by the proper ethnicity.

I'm surprised this comment was left up.

This writer really thinks trans people should be allowed to completely erase their past, and any reminder of who they used to be is “violence” - does any other group do this?

… no matter how much progress one makes in their transition, the person they used to be (or pretended to be) is still there.

Isn’t this true of literally everyone?

Anyway the writer still doesn’t get it - they think we respect some “gender identities” but not others (spoiler: we reject them all!). Re Chelsea Manning

… all too often her crimes have invalidated her womanhood for her critics.

No, Manning’s being male did that. Lots of people will use preferred pronouns with people they respect, out of courtesy, but not those they don’t - not a difficult concept.

Gotta love the closing line:

Chelsea Manning is a woman… Caitlyn Jenner is a woman… Neither of these statements is conditional.

Neither statement is accurate either.

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 7 points

This writer really thinks trans people should be allowed to completely erase their past, and any reminder of who they used to be is “violence” - does any other group do this?

Criminals?

(Funny how much overlap there is between “criminal” and “TIM”.)

Yeah. Look I'll use their new names, and outside of Ovarit I'll call them she, but it doesn't alter the fact that they are males, that they had many achievements while living in unmodified male bodies with male names and male pronouns, and that the very fact that they are TRANS women means they are, at absolute best, a Special Kind of Category Of Women Who Are Not Women But Who Live As If They Are Women (Except For How Their Decades Of Male Socialisation Keep Popping Up). Caitlin Jenner was, what, 65 or so before transitioning? Even if he DID feel like a lady 40 years ago and take hormones for a bit, he was wandering round the place being Olympian Bruce Jenner producing many children from the sperm of his penis, and there is no point in DENYING that.

I can't help but notice that when we say "she" about a person we want to think of as a victim on some level that it engenders a lot more sympathy than "he". I find myself feeling some kind of empathy for "Chelsea" as "she" that I cannot feel for Manning as a dude. I feel that there are SOME trans types who absolutely use this.

[–] BlackCirce enby jinping 2 points

he was wandering round the place being Olympian Bruce Jenner producing many children from the sperm of his penis, and there is no point in DENYING that.

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[–] Turtlefuzz Gender Outlaw 🤠 7 points

If you didn’t like a married woman and you used her maiden name, people would rightly look at you strangely. Doing the same to a trans person is much more violent and should earn you social scorn.

There was a lot of 🐄💩 in this blog but that quote above really took the cake. A married woman hearing her maiden name is not going to cause her any kind of distress. TRAs are absolutely insane lol

As an adult human female I am here to tell you that girls I went to school with are always Missy Maidename in my mind and whenever I talk to other women we were at school with. People who stayed very close to them might call them Missy Husband but they will say "Missy Maidenname" so that, you know, other people KNOW WHO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

A lot of people not on the internet probably have no idea who Elliot Page is.

But when it comes to being an asshole, the real thing is not about which name came first. It's about which identity you want to puncture. I read about a rival of Ruth St Denis always calling her "Ruth Dennis" because that was her actual name, which she'd gussied up to sound more artistic. People used to call Muhammad Ali "Cassius Clay" because they wanted to undermine his new self-chosen name. On the other hand I might make a point of calling JLo "Jennifer Lynne Affleck" to make fun of her using that new so-whitebread name, albeit not professionally.

TBH people will look at me strangely if I call JLo Jennifer Affleck all the time, even though that is her preferred name IRL apparently,

Cis people too often abuse this power, cajoling trans people into respectability by dangling the basic human respect of using our legal names over our heads. When trans people refuse to dance that cis dance, our dignity is snatched away.

Isn't that like...literally how society works as a whole to deter violent perps from being violent? Act like an asshole, get treated like an asshole? Especially since the "basic respectability" we demand of trans people typically comes in the form of "respect real women and don't commit sex crimes" lol...

“No other marginalized group can have their humanity erased simply by using a different pronoun or an old name.”

How is their humanity erased? If someone calls you a man while you’re pretending to be a woman, you’re still being humanized because men are people too. That’s what they say to women who want to be called women rather than “people with vaginas.” “Are women not people?!”-🤡

I've been called he, and ugly, and all kinds of other things and my humanity was not erased by it. I was hurt sometimes. I was offended. I didn't cease to exist.

No other marginalized group of people can have their humanity erased simply by using a different pronoun or an old name.

Author really buried the lead here, that no other group of people has such a fragile identity that the wrong word has them crumbling into bits