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How unusual that TIMs get “periods” when I, a woman who no longer has a uterus or ovaries and is on HRT, go through life blissfully period-free. I mean, one would think that I, too, would experience these “periods.” Yet I don’t. I wonder why that would be? It couldn’t possibly be because they’re making this stupid shit up.

Oh my sweet summer, child. Obviously you don't exist. That would discredit their bullshit.

[–] BlackCirce enby jinping 10 points

If female levels of estrogen caused smooth muscle to contract, women would be in severe pain every day of our lives as our internal organs including the heart would be more or less permanently contracted.

[–] spaghettiforhair LiTeRaLlYvIoLeNt 30 points

Are transwomen dying in period huts? Are transwomen being married off at 12 years old because a period clearly means they're ready for forced birth? How many transwomen have died from TSS? How much of a financial burden does the pink tax put on low-income transwomen?

Lol, I don't get cramps, I must not have this magical estrogen that affects ALL smooth muscle.

[–] GCRadFem 12 points

Loons. Every last one of them.

We have validated mental illness globally by giving these men diagnoses and HRT.

I love how they try to explain how this could work in order to sound smart and reliable (aLL sMoOtH mUscLes!) but then they skate over the fact that men don't have those uterine muscles.

[–] ProxyMusic 8 points Edited

If any of this were true, then all males who produce testosterone from their testes - as they all do as fetuses, babies, adolescents and adults - would be having "tranz periods" all the time. Because males automatically convert some of their endogenous testosterone to estrogen through aromatization on a continual basis.

It is important to note that estrogen and testosterone are not opposites of one another – the relationship is more complex than that. Testosterone, as the predominant male sex hormone, is integral for male sexual development (particularly during adolescence), accounting for the emergence of the male characteristics of increased facial and body hair, muscle mass and definition, and changes to a lower, deeper voice. Testosterone is produced primarily in the testicles and is associated with key body functions, including bone density, fat metabolism and distribution, muscle mass and strength, red blood cell production, sperm production, and libido.

Estrogen is also essential for male sexual development and overall optimal male health, because it too plays an important role in maintaining healthy function of practically every system in the body, including the neurological, cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, and immune systems. Men typically produce estrogen from the breakdown of testosterone by the aromatase enzyme (also known as estrogen synthase or estrogen synthetase). Aromatase is present in fat tissue, the adrenal glands, the brain, and the testicles.

https://www.thorne.com/take-5-daily/article/what-causes-estrogen-imbalances-in-men

XY persons with the disorder of male sex development CAIS have very high levels of estrogen because they convert ALL their T into estrogen, and their testes often make such massive amounts of T that their T levels are well above the normal male range (some persons with CAIS have been found to have T levels of 50-70 nmol/L when the normal male range tops at at just under 30 nmol/L). Yet people with CAIS do not customarily claim - or AFAIK ever claim - to have periods or anything resembling periods.

This apparently came from a FB account called (get this) Trans Army, and was reposted by an otherwise feminist poster called Vagina Devil Magic. What in the ACTUAL fuck.

I'm not in the healthcare field, so can anyone explain to me whether there is even one iota of truth to this? It sounds like utter garbage to me, not least because what triggers bloating and mood swings when women have periods is (1) estrogen and progesterone levels plummeting right before your period begins, and (2) the influence that plummeting estrogen and progesterone have on your serotonin levels.

So... WTF how would it be possible to experience that when you're on a consistent daily dose of estrogen? Your levels don't fluctuate! So it doesn't make your serotonin levels fluctuate! And nothing changes from one part of the month to the next, so where the heck is this idea of estrogen causing cramps coming from? And AFAIK most TW don't even take progesterone along with their estrogen, so their levels of that should stay at the nearly undetectable rates normal in biological men.

Am I wrong about this? Does anyone with medical expertise know?

I don't know why this absurd claim annoys me so much, but it does.

I work in healthcare. This is bullshit. If estrogen alone caused periods then menopausal women who take HRT would still get them. Hell men would get them because they have small amounts of estrogen. Estrogen actually goes down during our period and progesterone levels go up in preparation for pregnancy.

These are dudes with a period fetish who wish they were having periods. Women who “defend” them are being fools and helping take part in their period fetish.

"Estrogen actually goes down during our period and progesterone levels go up in preparation for pregnancy."

Right, that's what I thought -- it's the hormonal FLUCTUATION that causes the symptoms. You can't have those symptoms if your hormones are medically maintained at constant levels.

[–] Lipsy #bornnotworn 1 points Edited

"ALL smooth muscle... causing it to contract"

ALL of it! Including in yr arteries and shit! Well, have fun having a fatal stroke I guess 🤷🏾‍♀️

It's cute how these people clearly think male estradiol ("estrogen") levels are literally zero🤡

Among other things, estradiol is one of the most important regulators of the male sex drive.
Pathologically low testosterone levels blunt male libido, but, beyond that—across the whole range from "low-normal" to "professional bodybuilder blast-dose levels"—testosterone doesn't much govern or predict men's sex drive. Instead, for men with at least lowish-normal testosterone levels, it's actually estradiol that's the most important hormonal factor in male libido.

If you are not bleeding from your cervix, it's not a period.