[–] BlackCirce enby jinping 50 points Edited

The only thing that is missing from this deceitful treatise is what man and woman mean. What is the relation between the term male and the term man?

Blind means can’t see. There is a rich tapestry of cultural meaning associated with blindness. There’s history, metaphor, literature, discrimination, medical treatments, spirituality, depictions of blindness in art and literature. But before any of those meanings could attach, blindness had to exist on its own. There had to be an individual organism from a species that evolved sight, who could not see.

If all the cultural meanings of blindness suddenly disappeared for some reason, the condition of blindness could still exist.

So it is with sex. Sex and gender are related concepts. Like stars and astrology. Or race and racism. Or potato and French fries. You can have potatoes and no French fries, a sad state of affairs. But you can’t have French fries without potatoes. And you can’t have gender without sex. Sex is what gender is about, what it attaches to. Trans identity is utterly dependent on the near perfect regularity of sex.

Without sex, gender is meaningless. Without distinct sexes, “trans” is meaningless. Trying to hide sex, which arises without human intervention or knowledge, behind gender discourses won’t make it go away. Babies will keep being born from female humans who have mated with male humans.

It just makes it hard or impossible for the people gender is intended to hurt: women, to talk about our lives and act in the political realm.

Well said.

I like to say that gender as a concept is parasitic on sex. Why do trans people want so badly to change their bodies via """healthcare""" if sex did not exist or matter?

[–] BlackCirce enby jinping 1 points

Why do the people-with-penises who say they are women want vaginas-clitorises-breasts if those body parts are not inherently female? What is the point? It all dissolves down into the basic male mindset: I want what I want and you have to give it to me, or I'll hurt you.

[–] h4pp3n 1 points Edited

"something something [unintelligible] my mentals" is literally the answer they have for this lol. case in point, most of this video is a TiM attempting to rationalize exactly that. all they do is try to obfuscate the fact that their mental health relies on matching sex phenotypes by pulling into a vague personal preference realm. Just amazing how easily this rhetoric is still accepted despite how blatant it is

Edit: lol, for some reason my clipboard pasted a discord link rather than the video, anyway fixed with a timestamp highlighting the most explicit moment of admission. The whole video is tying this same pretzel in several different ways

I was just going to comment on how insane these people are, but your response is much better and more thorough!

[–] SaintHedwig 11 points Edited

I mean, these are the kind of people going around saying they're "bug" gender or "fae" gender or "teeth" gender, so they already jumped off the "gender is an extension of sex" biological reality pier about a mile or so back.

I agree that without sex gender is meaningless. It's like clothing where sex is the body.

The risk in these demands is, as you write, in that it makes it almost impossible to fight against sexism and misogyny and the oppression of women based on sex. For someone to argue what this person does is a truly narcissistic act.

They have it very much backwards. Gender is much more like astrology, an imagined "constellation" of stereotypes and temperaments imposed on real physical bodies. In gender the bodies are terrestrial, in astrology they are celestial.

Gender is also similar to astrology in the sense that everything can potentially relate to everyone at the same time. Everyone wants to be able to wear what they please without being judged, everyone wants to be able to cry from time to time without being bullied or feeling ashamed. So TRAs believe those concepts relate specifically their speshul self alone instead of, you know, those being such broad ideas that they relate to the vast majority of the population, no matter the sex.

Barnum statements, basically.

You’re prideful yet highly self-critical. “Omg that’s so me, I’m such a Taurus!”

You feel like neither a woman nor a man. “Omg that’s so me, I’m so non-binary!”

[–] mathlover 8 points Edited

If you follow this back to why anyone would argue nonsense like this, at the bottom of it all is men who are angry they can't get their dicks wet the way they want. The only people who benefit from getting people to believe that "penises can be female" are men who want to stick their penises in women who will never want them. All the rest is just to make the inane argument seem internally consistent and to distract from the only real agenda.

These AGP het men larping as "lesbians" don't care that het women larping as men can't get gay men into, or anywhere near, their vaginas.They certainly don't care that lesbians larping as "men" will never get straight women to be with them. And, given how "trans" males interact among themselves it doesn't look like the AGP het men are genuinely concerned about their gay brothers who larp as "women" and at least have chasers for sex.

The core of this silly argument about "female penises" - all of it - is driven by the core of the TCult that they try to keep hidden. It's all about AGP het men and the only sexual gratification they want - sticking their dicks where they will never be wanted.

The whole thing is wall-to-wall garbage, but I really want TRAs to explain why gender identity should take precedence over biological sex, especially since biological sex is a much better predictor of behavioral patterns and medical problems than gender identity.

It’s more validating (of gendered stereotypes) 🤪

He wants to throw away the classification system entirely, and yet complains that outliers are being “misclassified”.

Hmm. Can’t have it both ways.

Does no one know how babies are conceived anymore? No wonder we have sub-replacement birth rates all over the world!

[–] Lipsy #bornnotworn 22 points

how is babby formed? how girl get pragnent?

Can't remember useful things, but can still remember this entire thing word for word complete with the intonation from the Flash animation.

Babby is formed in a pea tree dish in a labubbleatory of course!! Duh!!

I never know if they are trolls but there are occasional posts from teens asking if they can get their "same gender" opposite sex partner pregnant, so... Yeah. We're screwed.

Or they’re screwed (and possibly pregnant) which seems to be the agenda along with allowing men to publicly pursue every known fetish and perversion.

[–] crodish 14 points Edited

The sheer utter stupidity of this has me reeling. Are people that desperate to be seen with "higher than the astral plane intelligence" shit? This is text slapped over the red eyes pepe frog meme with the galaxy brain in the background

I find the comment thing about deafness so fucking insulting. "Some people reaaAAAAally love being born disabled and operating at a disadvantage from regular humans" what the actual fuck is this idiot spouting. You all certainly don't seem to LOVE being oPpREsSeD for BeiNg tRanS, and that's a condition you willingly chose for yourself. Why would people without a choice in it love it?!

This person is basically saying the exact same shit that we TERFs have been saying this whole damn time. But their cult has fucked with language so much even they can't keep up. Trans people, literally by transitioning(modifying their bodies to resemble that of the opposite sex) are the ones linking sex(physical characteristics like body shape) to gender(masculinity and femininity), not us. It's extremely hypocritical, and mind blowingly stupid.

Quote: “Believing that vaginas are innately female organs and that being born with one magically bestows womanhood on you is very much a social construct.”

The false conflation of biological sex and the social roles demanded of the people with the two biological sexes is conflated in this post with the specific purpose of obfuscation. The problem is that the young, credulous or those not taught to read or think critically this sounds like an ‘intelligent’ argument. It is a decent example of writing with the intent to both confuse and convince.

Cutting through the bullshit? Ask if “female” testicles and penii ever need to be taken to the gynecologist. No? Why not? So there are physical/biological differences? That is all GC people are saying. Analysis and commentary on the social roles assigned to people based on their biological sex comes after biological sex is determined. Biological sex is a physical fact and cannot be escaped; social sex stereotypes are the social construct and are adjusted all of the time for the purposes of the powerful.

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