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[–] Mandy 49 points Edited

I don't think this is real. Poster is presenting TERF-girl's argument succinctly, accurately, and with clarity, and portraying everyone on his side as incapable of producing any coherent rebuttals. This piece has been cleverly crafted to present GC arguments to a pro-trans audience.

eg

"Part of what made me realize I was trans was that I hated the way cis boys talked about women and didn’t want to be like that. And this made me realize I am a girl." Most teens of average intelligence would see immediately that this is an absurd argument, implying as it does that only misogynists are "real" men, and that any man who supports women must in fact be one.

TERF girl comes across as heroic, and Poster as pathetic and deluded. Unreliable narrator indeed! It's very cleverly done.

Not real. He says he's in Maine, but uses British terms. We don't say "deputy head".

Maybe he is British and saying he’s in Maine to mix up the record. I agree, even a hard Anglophile wouldn’t say “deputy head” because a high-school kid might not even know that’s the name for vice principal in the UK.

It was posted at 1am in the UK and then he replied again at 3:30am UK time so that seems unlikely

[–] ii_eee 2 points Edited

My high school in Maine did have a deputy head of school. It's definitely not common but it does exist.

Edit - after reading more, the phrase "year group" is kinda off though. I agree that the terminology is suspect.

I don't think this is real.

It’s possible, but collecting all the misogynistic comments advising to do her harm or call her derogatory terms associated with female reproduction is enough.

I agree. As I was reading it, I was wondering how we could infiltrate their forums and present TERFy ideas in a way that didn't trigger them. Just to plant the seed of sanity.

Even if it doesn't plant the seeds of sanity, it will mess with their heads because they'll never know which posters are truly oppressed, bullied, "valid" members of their community and which ones are the fiendishly cunning fifth columnists.

[–] spw 10 points

I don't know? Perhaps or it might just be the poster is genuinely so pathetic and deluded and the TERF girl is genuinely heroic and it can't be portrayed in any other way.

The TERF girl in this does genuinely come across as a bit mean and I think if a GC person was writing this they could make it just as believable and recieve just as many upvotes while making her seem less so. She's understandably annoyed but they could have written it so she was still annoyed without coming across like that. Any trans person who sees this is just going to be annoyed at the girl and not really think about anything or have any respect for her arguments because of this

A couple of times they could have explained GC arguments a lot more. Especially when he talks about what was in the recording, the writer could have written another 2-3 lines about what arguments she used without it sounding unusual or suspicious

If it is like that its almost too clever as it's too subtle and it will all go over their heads

I think these posts https://archive.ph/Q5n8I "my wife is a TERF and now has opinions" and https://archive.ph/7XNsb "How do I respond to transphobic questions asked by fifth grader" seem to be far more likely to be what you are saying

I believe there are quite a lot of undercover GCs posting cleverly-composed "help me fellow trans how do I respond?" posts in those forums.