Why the hell isn't this angle being investigated? Girls who don't want to leave childhood because they are terrified of developing secondary-sex characteristics, and being viewed as sex objects in a porn-sick "sex-positive" society. I can relate, actually: I became a teenager during the Bush Jr. era and wanted to wear a burqa before I really understood what that all entails. I can't even begin to express just how much so-called "sexual empowerment" has been heartbreakingly destructive to our children and especially to our girls. Instead of desexualizing breasts, this disgusting and abusive movement has created an iatrogenic epidemic of Skoptic syndrome.

after i was SA'd by my uncle, I wanted to start wearing niqab. I'm glad I didn't go through with it, but I genuinely felt so gross about myself and felt like covering up everything and "hiding my beauty", so to say, so that no one will do that to me again.

sadly, it's not about how we dress. I was in full hijab when he SA'd me, and before that, I was a child. I was still a child then, but still.

[–] LOriginedumonde 54 points Edited

This is eerily similar to anorexia nervosa. Some anorexics starve themselves not due to a pathological fear of gaining weight, but due to a pathological fear of maturation, and many are not even conscious of this fear. I believe this is why many TIFs also suffer from eating disorders, especially anorexia nervosa.

My mom told me several years later that when I got my first period she cried because she knew that the inevitable was near and there was very little she could do to stop it. She did what she could (which is why I am the woman that I am today and why I’m here and a radical feminist) but she could not stop the external forces of a fucked up world that hyper-sexualizes and oppresses women.

t’s completely understandable why girls search for a way to escape this without even realizing that they’re trying to escape, much less what they’re trying to escape from.

I remember my first period. My mom never told me about it and I was crying because I thought I was going to die imminnently. She explained to me then that it meant I was a woman, which only made me cry more, because she was my primary example of what a woman's life was and I felt immediately trapped and doomed to that. There was no, like, cool period cake or anything lol. Just a lot of crying.

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 16 points

Or that being a child, or even childlike, is sexualised by the very worst men.

Missing your childhood is normal. Cutting off your breasts and eating ''pure'' food to try and relive it/act like an angel is not normal. Why are they letting girls with clear mental illness take their bodies apart??

It's easier to locate the source of the problem in individual women and girls rather than in the patriarchy which would require challenging the systems that underpin our society.

Because, to be honest, this is not a symptom of mental illness- it's a symptom of living in a global CULTURE (of misogyny) which is sick. I think the biggest mistake would be pathologizing these girls even more rather than recognizing that this stems from something much more widespread, pervasive, and violent...

Profit. Make the money off the surgery, hormones, etc. then make a lot more money treating all the medical and mental problems that arise from it. They're lifelong customers. That's it.

This is so hellishly depressing. As someone who had a regrettable TiF period, and who is still battling (mostly losing to, tbh) anorexia nervosa well into my late 20s, I see everything here so clearly and brightly that it almost hurts. I don't know what to say. She needs help. She's not okay. God, these fucking kids.

[–] Eava 17 points

The "pure/clean" food and wanting to be an "angel" or "pure light" or "energy" is typical thinking among orthorexics. It is like new age anorexia, obsessed with purity as a way to health, that then twists into an idea that you can transcend your physical body. I can see how orthorexia and gender ideology come together.
Of course internalized misogyny that being fully female is not "pure" is at the heart of almost all of this.

[–] SakuraBlossoms transheight 7'3" 19 points

Dr. Michael Egnor's quote on this is now my favorite: "That’s just assault on a person who is mentally ill.” She didn't cut off her breasts. She is the victim of violent medical abuse and mutilation.

And that is why we need places with no men. Menstruating sucks, boobs can be inconvenient, etc. But if your burgeoning sexuality didn't make you vulnerable to leering, judgement, dismissal, and attack (not like little girls aren't, but the seem not to be as aware of it and it is still slightly less normalized), it wouldn't be so terrifying.

dollars to donuts she probably was raised in a religious fundie household where women's bodies are dirty. the "innocence" language has some big fundie overtones.

Age regression is a common response to (sexual) abuse. I’ve thankfully never wanted my body to be pre-pubescent but I frequently experience wanting to talk, dress, and act like a young teen, which was the time before I was first sexually assaulted at 17. There was an innocence I’ve been striving to recapture ever since.

I think this is definitely a thing and it just reinforces why medical transition is a bad idea for people barely out of puberty.

When I was 12 or so I occupied a very liminal space in my activities and ideas, simultaneously preparing to be a Real Teenager and clinging to childhood favourite books that I read over and over. Sexuality was developing but I didn't quite feel ready even to read romances or other more adult books (YA wasn't really a category then). I'm eternally grateful that I was allowed to take my time.

I'm in my middle thirties and still hang onto childhood items. I actually find that the more I delve into the madness of clown world, the more I strive for a nostalgia kick, yearning for a time when all this nonsense just wasn't "a thing."

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 4 points

I’m sixty and the only reason I don’t have a lot more of my childhood stuff is because of repeatedly having to downsize. (To be clear I didn’t particularly enjoy childhood and would never want to revisit it - I just loved my toys and books.)

oh it's the same for me. my childhood was a mess, but when things get hard now I tend to cling on to the nostalgia, which is in the form of music that my cousins used to play when i was little. from Backstreet Boys to Rotting Christ. lol

I had no toys because my abuser didn't allow me to have any. so I just used my imagination and inanimate objects to play as a child. I miss that innocence.

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