[–] furyosa terf immortal 44 points (+44|-0)

We need to start putting the medical reasons for being trans at the forefront of our community to combat garbage like autogynephilia.

It's cute that they try to legitimize authentic reasons for transitioning. All TIMs fetishize woman as a concept. You can't consider transitioning unless you obsess over a concept the same way Oli London obsesses over being Korean. Not everyone does it out of a sexual desire, but a large amount of them seem to be sexually motivated to transition, that is, they're AGP.

[–] spacykate 41 points (+41|-0)

So no one needs to have dysphoria to be considered trans, but when faced with self-identified AGP transwomen suddenly dysphoria is super super important? I'm so done with TIM lies and doubletalk.

[–] furyosa terf immortal 26 points (+26|-0) Edited

There are two schools of thought in the trans religion. One is the transmed/truscum that requires dysphoria and a medical diagnosis to be considered trans. The other one is tucute that only require self-ID to be considered trans.

However, even the male transmed are fetishizing women. There are no legitimate reasons for male bodied people, non-, pre- or post op, to invade women's spaces and infringe upon women's sex based rights. They need to come to terms with their fetishism, admit it's a religious belief and start promoting for their own spaces. That's the only way forward in this debate.

Edit: added non-op as some don't intend to go through any surgery at all.

[–] Hyacinth 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

I think it's a schism of such different groups identifying as trans recently, the AGPs want to make forums hospitable to teenage girls and confused gay boys as to not blow their cover, because those two demographics provides 100% of the coverup for their fetish in the media.

[–] Stealthygal 39 points (+40|-1)

Serano has argued at great length that AGP is incoherent & pathologizes perfectly ordinary female fantasies that are only seen as abhorrent when observed in trans women.

What are these perfectly ordinary female fantasies that non-female Serano thinks we have?

[–] Peachy 35 points (+35|-0) Edited

My fantasy is men not mistreating us, overstepping our boundaries and invading our spaces.

[–] no- 10 points (+10|-0)

What? You don't get a lady boner every time you put on lipstick? /s

[–] Stealthygal 2 points (+2|-0)

Spookily NO. Does this... does this mean I'm a man? Because I quite like being a woman, generalised societal expectations aside. Oh no! I.guess I need new hormones now.

[–] no- 2 points (+2|-0)

Sorry, you're not a woman. Everyone knows a real woman gets turned on by her own boobies. So, you say you're AFAB? That doesn't matter, what matters is your true inner self, which needs to override everything else. Run to a gender clinic before you kys!

I think it all goes back to a flawed survey done by Charles Moser. I haven't seen any other supposed evidence for this claim. I wrote a longer reply with quotes here, and the quote by starwars goes into more detail as well: Ovarit link.

[–] estina 1 points (+1|-0)

Lmao I love how they literally admit it’s AGP (spoiler: no one accepts the premise you are actually female, dude)

[–] [Deleted] 34 points (+34|-0)

When the TIMs get so riled up they unleash some terven fury:

I have no empathy for AGPs. You're problematic at best, and a dangerous, destructive stereotype at worst. You bring nothing to the table but a privilege and testosterone-driven fetish by which the rest of society judges us all.

I don't kink shame, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU needs to call yourself a man, even if you transition.

[–] Ash94 28 points (+28|-0)

Lol. Every other post on r/MTF is:

"is this a fetish or am I really trans"

"I get so euphoric I get a boner every time I think of myself as a girl"

it's a fetish.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU needs to call yourself a man, even if you transition.

That's a good start. Now we just need "transbians" to realize there's a roughly 98% chance they're AGP.

That was the comment that made me be like “okay, I gotta post this gem” it’s so hilariously hypocritical.

[–] RisingUp 28 points (+28|-0)

Cis male TERFs who are lying about being an autogynephile just to upset trans women.


[–] Rag3 11 points (+11|-0)


[–] Hyacinth 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

😂😂🤣 must be like those online terfs who "pretend to be gay men" in order to reject Tifs. Hmm do women pretend to be men? Yes just not in the way you think.. the self awareness so close yet so far.

[–] Ash94 20 points (+20|-0)

I think this is will be their downfall because they don't have an argument against it except "cis women do it too," which makes absolutely no sense. I also think this will happen around the time we see the harmful effects of transing children, parents realizing what they have done, and that they have been groomed by a group of fetishistic men. It's all so twisted when you think about it.

[–] Hyacinth 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

They are in inception levels of lying to themselves! 80% of that sub are AGPs. As problematic as they are, its the HST that give them cover and they know it.

Like 90% regret SRS but not soon after admitting that, are back to sucking people down the same delusional path.

I think this is a coded message to the forums to cool it and turn down the honesty. Getting annoyed at the new AGPs who aren't familiar enough with the trans-community-speak to camouflage their fetishtic motives and desires

[–] Radical 3 points (+3|-0)

The sexual gratification one gets from feeling feminized/being submissive is the same for a lot of cis woman, yet that makes trans women meta-attracted auto-gynephiles for indulging in it?

They're delusional.