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[–] Turtlefuzz Gender Outlaw 🤠 13 points

I mean, it makes sense because I'm sure some of TIMs work easy, low-paying jobs so they can spend more time on the internet or their makeup.

I want to see comparisons between male and females doing the same jobs. Then we'll see that TIMs in tech jobs and management positions vastly out-earn women.

Many of them work in STEM. They got the jobs while presenting as male, so they earn a white male IT salary, aka a lot of money.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie non-cis logic 4 points

But the stats are now going to list them as women, thus, “erasing” the wage gap in STEM fields.

It’s such bullshit.

[–] Turtlefuzz Gender Outlaw 🤠 0 points

Fair, I didn't mean to imply that all TIMs work low-skilled jobs. I just wanted to point out that there are a lot of NEET TIMs who still mooch off their parents, for example.

[–] real_feminist 12 points Edited

I want to see comparisons between male and females doing the same jobs

This is terrible way to do pay gap comparisons because it fails to consider that the largest source of the pay gap is from hiring discrimination. Most of the tech companies that I've worked for won't hire women unless we're 10x more qualified than the men. When they do hire us, they place us into much lower levels than our male peers. The situation is so awful that women are twice as likely to leave the field and a study showed that the primary reason that women were leaving was because of the lack of opportunities.

On top of that, the correlation between pay for a given field and the percentage of women is strongly correlated. For example, most programmers were women back in the 60s and when that was true it was seen as a low-skill job that got low pay. It became a male-dominated field at the same time that it became a lucrative field. The reverse has happened in other fields.

The overall, unadjusted wage gap is the only way to account for both the hiring/leveling discrimination between individuals within a field and the impact that sexism/racism has on the differences in pay across fields.

But, yea, I agree that the TIMs disproportionately work in tech.

[–] Turtlefuzz Gender Outlaw 🤠 0 points

I know tech is a hell hole for women, so I'm sorry that you have to endure these terrible practices. I've worked in HR for manufacturing, and med device, so I don't have any references for the tech industry.

I disagree with you on your assertion that unadjusted wages are the only way, simply because there are too many variables at play. Location, industry and education certainly affect wages regardless of whether the applicant is male or female. I assisted in a review of one company's pay bands (wage ranges) and found that more revealing information is discovered when you look at the details. It's there that the disparity between sex, ethnicity etc can really be seen.

I do agree that hiring bias is a huge factor that needs to be tackled in many industries.

There’s a trans survey that was done in the US that found that US tims were significantly more likely to be higher paid, have college degrees, and work in tech than any other group (wish I could remember which one). They’re also super white according to this survey.

It isn’t just us saying it, their own surveys do too.

[–] Turtlefuzz Gender Outlaw 🤠 1 points

I agree, but I just wanted to point out that there are lazy, NEET TIMs that might pull the average down.