In response to feedback from users of the circle, we have decided to adopt a low-to-zero tolerance policy for carnist excuses and derailment. We've heard you all that you want a fully vegan space where you don't have to deal with that stuff.
In an effort to engage both vegans and non-vegans, and to provide education to dispel common anti-vegan rhetoric, we've decided to have a weekly Debate Thread.
This week we've decided to talk about so called "ethical meat." This is one of the most common non-vegan arguments I hear: that somewhere-over-the-rainbow exists your second uncle's magical "humane" farm where animals totally live out their full lives, without their babies being taken away, and they're slaughtered nice and kindly with a boop on the nose.
Conveniently, no one can answer logistical questions about how these nice lil old mcdonald farms can exist, while also meeting the massive demand for cheap meat. No one can tell me how these "humane farmers" will get milk from cows without removing the calves from the mother. No one can tell me why its morally justifiable when we don't need to eat meat.