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Welcome to the weekly debate thread..

I have a radfem instagram in which I also post vegan activism. I get a lot of hate for my veganism, largely from other radical feminists. This isn't surprising to me considering that most radfems have the same excuses and anti-vegan beliefs and dissonance that the general public has ("animals eat other animals," "I'm a lion," "my ancestors eat meat," etc).

However, the one excuse and anti-vegan comment I see the most is that veganism is an eating disorder or will lead to an eating disorder.

Using veganism as a means to avoid eating or to restrict your calories has everything to do with your eating disorder and nothing to do with veganism. An eating disorder is a behavioral disorder, whether its an overeating or undereating disorder, and a mental illness. Veganism is a lifestyle which strives to reduce and eliminate the use of animal products in ones life. These two things have nothing to do with each other.

I have an eating disorder, albeit it is an overeating disorder, so it is not recognized, glamorized or popularized the way undereating disorders are. I have been vegan 5 years and I am vegan for the animals. I am able to separate my eating disordered behaviors and my desire to prevent unnecessary suffering from animals; one is a behavioral/mental condition I live with, the other is my morals and values.

I have seen a lot of radfems claim that veganism is inherently bad for women because its an ED or leads to "restriction." I find this to be massively condescending, firstly because there is an assumption that all women want to diet or dont know how to feed themselves properly if they were to be vegan, and secondly because most vegans are women! We are the ones who care about this issue and actually give a shit about saving animals!

Welcome to the weekly debate thread.. I have a radfem instagram in which I also post vegan activism. I get a lot of hate for my veganism, largely from other radical feminists. This isn't surprising to me considering that most radfems have the same excuses and anti-vegan beliefs and dissonance that the general public has ("animals eat other animals," "I'm a lion," "my ancestors eat meat," etc). However, the one excuse and anti-vegan comment I see the most is that veganism is an eating disorder or will lead to an eating disorder. Using veganism as a means to avoid eating or to restrict your calories has everything to do with your eating disorder and nothing to do with veganism. An eating disorder is a behavioral disorder, whether its an overeating or undereating disorder, and a mental illness. Veganism is a lifestyle which strives to reduce and eliminate the use of animal products in ones life. These two things have nothing to do with each other. I have an eating disorder, albeit it is an overeating disorder, so it is not recognized, glamorized or popularized the way undereating disorders are. I have been vegan 5 years and I am vegan for the animals. I am able to separate my eating disordered behaviors and my desire to prevent unnecessary suffering from animals; one is a behavioral/mental condition I live with, the other is my morals and values. I have seen a lot of radfems claim that veganism is inherently bad for women because its an ED or leads to "restriction." I find this to be massively condescending, firstly because there is an assumption that all women want to diet or dont know how to feed themselves properly if they were to be vegan, and secondly because most vegans are women! We are the ones who care about this issue and actually give a shit about saving animals!

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Acknowledging that OP is in distress is not tone policing. It's expressing concern. Sometimes the things we vehemently oppose are our actual problems. People who are defensive with any mention of alcoholism or in this case disordered eating may have a problem. I think the people who commented on OPs posts were most likely expressing concern that they have traded one set of disordered eating for another, not saying all veganism was disordered.

Ethical slaughter would be decent treatment in life and a swift, painless death. Death is not a punishment.

So what conclusion would you come to if you routinely ordered food that clearly had meat in it and were questioned by staff?

[–] margerydaw 6 points (+6|-0)

Trying to turn your tone policing into "expressing concern" is gaslighting, so you're just digging yourself further down. Not one single other word of your comment expressed any iota of thought, much less concern, over OP's wellbeing so I don't buy that claim one bit. Especially when you followed up you alleged "concern" with a debate point about strawmanning. You were trying to discredit OP's argument. That's the epitome of tone policing.

Ethical slaughter would be decent treatment in life and a swift, painless death. Death is not a punishment.

So then do you think that it's possible to ethically slaughter a healthy human as long as you treated them well while they were alive and you offer them a swift, painless death? And if not, why is it ok to do to a non-human animal?

So what conclusion would you come to if you routinely ordered food that clearly had meat in it and were questioned by staff?

Lol I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. This sounds like a highly idiosyncratic situation, tbh. It's weird that you're presenting it like this is a common problem that everyone is going to understand.

[–] somegenerichandle -3 points (+0|-3) Edited

I thought i made it clear that i also had a past with eating disorders. Mine was restrictive, but my Emotions Anonymous buddy is a binge eater.

Yes, I believe people have the right to die according to the UN and think euthanasia should be legal. These are obviously very different, as the human initiates it, so I'm not sure it is the best comparison.

It's a common problem for me. You're lucky you are so blessed. I can only imagine it's because I am/was underweight and unhealthy and that's kind of the stereotypical look of a vegetarian/vegan. Now, i laugh it off telling people "i just play one on TV".

edit: oh, since you are a mod, could you please clarify if non-vegans are allowed to respond to debate threads?

[–] margerydaw 4 points (+4|-0)

I'm sorry to hear about your struggles, but it doesn't change that you were tone policing.

You've hit the nail on the head re. euthanasia. It's justified when a sick human initiates it. If you're arguing that healthy humans should have the right to euthanasia, you'll have to make that case. However, a healthy animal generally wants to live. Animals in slaughterhouses exhibit every behavior suggesting that they want to get the fuck out of there and get to safety and continue to live their lives. So - again - how do you justify killing a non-human animal who wants to live just for your own personal pleasure?

Yes, non-vegans are allowed to respond in debate threads. You can actually participate in any thread in this circle, but you can only challenge veganism in debate threads.