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Welcome to the weekly debate thread..

I have a radfem instagram in which I also post vegan activism. I get a lot of hate for my veganism, largely from other radical feminists. This isn't surprising to me considering that most radfems have the same excuses and anti-vegan beliefs and dissonance that the general public has ("animals eat other animals," "I'm a lion," "my ancestors eat meat," etc).

However, the one excuse and anti-vegan comment I see the most is that veganism is an eating disorder or will lead to an eating disorder.

Using veganism as a means to avoid eating or to restrict your calories has everything to do with your eating disorder and nothing to do with veganism. An eating disorder is a behavioral disorder, whether its an overeating or undereating disorder, and a mental illness. Veganism is a lifestyle which strives to reduce and eliminate the use of animal products in ones life. These two things have nothing to do with each other.

I have an eating disorder, albeit it is an overeating disorder, so it is not recognized, glamorized or popularized the way undereating disorders are. I have been vegan 5 years and I am vegan for the animals. I am able to separate my eating disordered behaviors and my desire to prevent unnecessary suffering from animals; one is a behavioral/mental condition I live with, the other is my morals and values.

I have seen a lot of radfems claim that veganism is inherently bad for women because its an ED or leads to "restriction." I find this to be massively condescending, firstly because there is an assumption that all women want to diet or dont know how to feed themselves properly if they were to be vegan, and secondly because most vegans are women! We are the ones who care about this issue and actually give a shit about saving animals!

Welcome to the weekly debate thread.. I have a radfem instagram in which I also post vegan activism. I get a lot of hate for my veganism, largely from other radical feminists. This isn't surprising to me considering that most radfems have the same excuses and anti-vegan beliefs and dissonance that the general public has ("animals eat other animals," "I'm a lion," "my ancestors eat meat," etc). However, the one excuse and anti-vegan comment I see the most is that veganism is an eating disorder or will lead to an eating disorder. Using veganism as a means to avoid eating or to restrict your calories has everything to do with your eating disorder and nothing to do with veganism. An eating disorder is a behavioral disorder, whether its an overeating or undereating disorder, and a mental illness. Veganism is a lifestyle which strives to reduce and eliminate the use of animal products in ones life. These two things have nothing to do with each other. I have an eating disorder, albeit it is an overeating disorder, so it is not recognized, glamorized or popularized the way undereating disorders are. I have been vegan 5 years and I am vegan for the animals. I am able to separate my eating disordered behaviors and my desire to prevent unnecessary suffering from animals; one is a behavioral/mental condition I live with, the other is my morals and values. I have seen a lot of radfems claim that veganism is inherently bad for women because its an ED or leads to "restriction." I find this to be massively condescending, firstly because there is an assumption that all women want to diet or dont know how to feed themselves properly if they were to be vegan, and secondly because most vegans are women! We are the ones who care about this issue and actually give a shit about saving animals!

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[–] somegenerichandle -10 points (+1|-11) Edited

I don't think it is always the case, but one has to have a very strong will not to fall into restricted clean eating. I sense that you are very emotional about this topic, and I am not wholly convinced you are strawmanning the comments. Applying morality to food is dangerous. Animal products are not the problem, it's the system. We can chose ethical, local farmers. Although, if we buy from purdue and similar we are complicit. I know not everyone can afford quality meat, and reducing meat intake is a good alternative. Almond milk is a huge environmental issue that many vegans choose to ignore. Many of the vegans i know in real life are not cognizant of how many items use animal products. Condoms, medicine, cosmetics use animal products. And these are the same people who don't hear me when i say i can't be vegan because of my ED. And don't get me started on the restaurant workers who assume by my looks i am an illiterate vegetarian.

[–] margerydaw 7 points (+7|-0)

Wow, so much weird shit to unpack in this comment 😂

I sense that you are very emotional about this topic

Tone policing right off the bat, so we're not off to a promising start.

Applying morality to food is dangerous.

Animals are sentient beings with a will to live, not "food".

We can chose ethical, local farmers.

You will not get away with that here. What does an ethical slaughter look like? How can you justify killing an animal for your own personal pleasure?

Almond milk is a huge environmental issue that many vegans choose to ignore.

  1. Almond milk is one of many dairy alternatives. More sustainable options like oat milk and pea milk are growing in popularity.
  2. Animal agriculture is FAR worse when it comes to environmental impacts. http://veganstart.org/wp-content/uploads/vs-info-water-use-farmscape.jpg

Many of the vegans i know in real life are not cognizant of how many items use animal products.

As another commentor mentioned, you don't seem to know much about what veganism is. Veganism makes allowances for medications and anything that is not realistically practical to avoid when you make your best effort. Additionally, it's easy to find vegan cosmetics and condoms. Maybe your friends are doing that and not sharing every detail of their purchases with you.

And don't get me started on the restaurant workers who assume by my looks i am an illiterate vegetarian.

I honestly have no clue what the hell this means or what you're implying. I highly doubt you can read restaurant workers minds, and I also doubt that they are calling you an "illiterate vegetarian" to your face, so I'm just gonna call absolute bullshit on this.

Acknowledging that OP is in distress is not tone policing. It's expressing concern. Sometimes the things we vehemently oppose are our actual problems. People who are defensive with any mention of alcoholism or in this case disordered eating may have a problem. I think the people who commented on OPs posts were most likely expressing concern that they have traded one set of disordered eating for another, not saying all veganism was disordered.

Ethical slaughter would be decent treatment in life and a swift, painless death. Death is not a punishment.

So what conclusion would you come to if you routinely ordered food that clearly had meat in it and were questioned by staff?

[–] margerydaw 6 points (+6|-0)

Trying to turn your tone policing into "expressing concern" is gaslighting, so you're just digging yourself further down. Not one single other word of your comment expressed any iota of thought, much less concern, over OP's wellbeing so I don't buy that claim one bit. Especially when you followed up you alleged "concern" with a debate point about strawmanning. You were trying to discredit OP's argument. That's the epitome of tone policing.

Ethical slaughter would be decent treatment in life and a swift, painless death. Death is not a punishment.

So then do you think that it's possible to ethically slaughter a healthy human as long as you treated them well while they were alive and you offer them a swift, painless death? And if not, why is it ok to do to a non-human animal?

So what conclusion would you come to if you routinely ordered food that clearly had meat in it and were questioned by staff?

Lol I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. This sounds like a highly idiosyncratic situation, tbh. It's weird that you're presenting it like this is a common problem that everyone is going to understand.