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Welcome to the debate thread! This may be a spicy 🌶️ one. Controversial debate topics make for interesting conversation, but also nastiness and hostility. Please be civil. NSFW due to language surrounding rape.

A reminder to non-vegans: we would appreciate an effort to first familiarize yourself with vegan discussion points before commenting. However, you are welcome to participate.

Firstly, here are some resources/visuals regarding the topic at hand:

Artificial Insemination

Artificial Insemination Technique

Whats Wrong with Dairy?

Dairy is Scary

Bull Semen Collection

This is a topic I see non-vegan radical feminists frequently bring up and become very upset about: the claim that vegans are using words like "rape" to describe standard practice animal agricullture. I find this argument to be (usually) a strawman, as there is a difference between comparing and equating. We are not equating women to cows. We are using a word as a tool of comparison of a non-consensual and exploitative practice (whether it is between two humans, or between a human and a non-human).

So some questions to consider for this thread:

1) Where is the line between comparing and equating?

2) Can "rape" be applied to animals? Is "rape" a human-only concept?

3) Does it matter what it's called if the practice still causes harm to a sentient being?

4) Does calling forced insemination that animals experience in the industry "rape" belittle and dehumanize the rape of women?

5) If bestiality is considered human-on-animal "rape" due to animals inability to consent, then can we also call forced insemination "rape?" Is there a difference here? Is it not hypocritical to stand against bestiality but be okay with dairy?

6) What language should we use to discuss these forced practices animals in the industry suffer?

7) Even if calling it "rape" is wrong, what is stopping you (calling on non-vegans here) from recognizing that the practice is at least immoral, unnecessary and causes harm to an innocent sentient being? What is your justification for buying and consuming dairy?

Welcome to the debate thread! This may be a spicy 🌶️ one. Controversial debate topics make for interesting conversation, but also nastiness and hostility. Please be civil. NSFW due to language surrounding rape. *A reminder to non-vegans: we would appreciate an effort to first familiarize yourself with vegan discussion points before commenting. However, you are welcome to participate.* Firstly, here are some resources/visuals regarding the topic at hand: [Artificial Insemination](https://youtu.be/stvnGYcKz60?t=301) [Artificial Insemination Technique](https://extension.psu.edu/artificial-insemination-technique) [Whats Wrong with Dairy?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olx6kwuIHcE&ab_channel=TheVeganActivist) [Dairy is Scary ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI&ab_channel=ErinJanus) [Bull Semen Collection](https://youtu.be/bIZ_B4aBnpE?t=53) This is a topic I see non-vegan radical feminists frequently bring up and become very upset about: the claim that vegans are using words like "rape" to describe standard practice animal agricullture. I find this argument to be (usually) a strawman, as there is a difference between comparing and equating. We are not equating women to cows. We are using a word as a tool of comparison of a non-consensual and exploitative practice (whether it is between two humans, or between a human and a non-human). So some questions to consider for this thread: 1) Where is the line between comparing and equating? 2) Can "rape" be applied to animals? Is "rape" a human-only concept? 3) Does it matter what it's called if the practice still causes harm to a sentient being? 4) Does calling forced insemination that animals experience in the industry "rape" belittle and dehumanize the rape of women? 5) If bestiality is considered human-on-animal "rape" due to animals inability to consent, then can we also call forced insemination "rape?" Is there a difference here? Is it not hypocritical to stand against bestiality but be okay with dairy? 6) What language should we use to discuss these forced practices animals in the industry suffer? 7) **Even if calling it "rape" is wrong, what is stopping you (calling on non-vegans here) from recognizing that the practice is at least immoral, unnecessary and causes harm to an innocent sentient being? What is your justification for buying and consuming dairy?**

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[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

Oof. Well I have no problem with the term rape applied to animals, but I’m already vegan. Men often use rape to control women and/or their reproduction, and this is exactly what humans (mostly men) are doing here.

Humans dismissed the idea of other animals having “human” traits like intelligence and emotions, but science is uncovering more about them every year: men made us deny their intelligence and feelings, just like they denied ours (not that I’m saying cows are as smart as humans, but it’s the same kind of dismissive attitude that allows us to exploit them without stopping to think “wait”). I personally think acknowledging what is done to animals as rape helps us understand our predicament as human women better, and helps us name the problem: it’s an entire system of exploitation of females, and terrorizing females and their children.

Animal agriculture, with the abhorrent living conditions, rape, ripping away of babies, killing, etc is like a science fiction movie, except we are the bad guys. This is exactly what our worst dreams imagine aliens might do to us, and we’re here doing it to other animals.