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This is why it kills me when people act like women need to all buy period cups instead of tampons and do all this other shit is what is going to save the world when we're literally up against systemic and malicious psychological manipulation by capitalist giants. I was doing some grocery shopping yesterday and I realized that almost everything in the store is either made of plastic or uses plastic packaging. There's just no alternative available unless you want your life to be way harder or more expensive. You want to buy bread instead of making it yourself? Plastic packaging. Even the paper bag that the nice French bread comes in has a little plastic window for no good reason. You want to have any sort of hygiene whatsoever? Plastic plastic plastic. Plastic shampoo bottle, plastic toothbrush in plastic packaging, plastic deodorant stick. You want to clean your house? Plastic bottles again. You're trapped unless you want to spend loads of time making all kinds of stuff yourself and most women work full time. We all know the men won't help us with this stuff.

Plastic is ubiquitous. Doing without it would make additional work. Even keeping plastic for necessities like medicine would require enormous changes.

And isn’t it interesting that so many of the save the planet things involve more consumerism? Like reusable grocery bags, you have to buy something to avoid buying something else. Truly addressing the many ways we are over consuming and polluting and degrading the planet would require serious top down effort and changes on every level of society. Instead the onus is put on the individual to save the planet. When clearly that won’t be enough. I recycle. I reuse a lot of plastic bags and items and have the reusable bags. But I wonder how much good it’s actually doing.

The UN IPCC has issued increasingly panicked reports for the last four to five years. Not one government on the planet or leader has directly addressed their citizens about the content of these reports. No real changes have been proposed in any other way either. Because those changes would be incredibly difficult and would require great commitment and sacrifice. Even that assumes that fossil fuels can be replaced on any kind of scale that maintains modern life as we know it. Nothing else makes the kind of energy that fossil fuels does. Even nuclear had issues with toxicity and finite resources. It isn’t just that we haven’t implemented changes, I’m not certain anyone knows what changes would work.

But hey, get your reusable shopping bag and drive your car to shop, shop, shop. And we’d better keep populating at insane rates. No need to make an actual plan, but you’re a bad person if you don’t consume in the virtue signaling manner and can not question any inconsistencies if you do.

I wish I understood what was going on but I truly don’t. You’d think our oligarchs had figured out a way to take their money with them wouldn’t you?

I sometimes wonder if they're as in denial as most of us plebs are. The logistics of large-enough scale change are so difficult to fathom that we can't figure out what to do and that anxiety/fear is paralyzing. I think most world leaders habitually cling to power for its own sake, and sounding the alarm in a meaningful way would upset a sizable portion of their constituents (especially in the US) because the predictions are so dire that they come off as almost fear-mongering.

I was talking to a friend about how cloud computing is bad for the environment because it uses more energy than discs, and he said that there's nothing wrong with cloud computing in itself if the energy is what makes it bad-- it's the energy source that needs to change. And he's not necessarily wrong, but the problem is that we don't know how we'd transition over to a different energy source if we found a good enough one (as you so rightly said) but we do know how disc computing works. If we got enough people who matter on board (ha ha ha) we could theoretically revert to 2000s mode and actually make a difference. The fantasy that someday in the future we will find a magic bullet through the Power Of Science, which still remains mystical to the average person, is a comforting one. Optimism is just kicking the can down the road.

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Quote “I sometimes wonder if they're as in denial as most of us plebs are. The logistics of large-enough scale change are so difficult to fathom that we can't figure out what to do and that anxiety/fear is paralyzing. I think most world leaders habitually cling to power for its own sake, and sounding the alarm in a meaningful way would upset a sizable portion of their constituents (especially in the US) because the predictions are so dire that they come off as almost fear-mongering.”

This is my thought and fear. Nobody knows what to do. I read an article once that laid out fossil fuel in terms of kilocalories in comparison to other energy sources per standardized units. The differences were staggering. Nothing even compared.

It isn’t just a matter of having the green revolution or at least not as the technology stands at the moment. Nothing comes even close to replacing fossil fuels, even in aggregate.

Then there is the fact that building new infrastructure to use some of the alternatives as a bridge to buy us time to think requires yes more fossil fuels and petrochemicals. Our agriculture is intertwined with petrochemicals. We’re in a hell of a pickle. Now add that education has been busily devolving people rather than the opposite ensuring that we have fewer people to think of solutions and implement them.

Yes, the sun should be able to help us, as Heinlein pointed out decades ago, millions of joules of energy hit the earth every day but we don’t know how to use it. I just wonder what plans the elite have because they must have some idea of how to save their own worthless asses. That Mars thing is a non-starter though so that isn’t it. Or are they as you suggest on the same roller coaster ride as the rest of us convinced that their wealth and power will at least buy them a little more time and safety?

I’m starting to think that humans are a fatally flawed species and that many species have lived and died in the vast timescales of the universe. Hopefully creation is doing, has done or will do better with sentient life somewhere/somewhen else. Then there’s the part of me that thinks we should at least try to solve our own problems. Sigh.

Gee, that sounds like something Big Oil would do...evil genius level clever, using our good efforts against us; make us believe we're recycling it so we'll buy more. Sigh.

I've watched so many documentaries about this in the past week, I've gone from climate fear to climate apathy and apparently came out the other way just laughing slightly hysterical and shrugging.

How does anyone else see the future? I've given up all hope to be honest.