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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. I'm also not sure if languages other than English are allowed on Ovarit, so I'm going to write my post in English just in case.

I feel so alone being a radical feminist in Italy right now. I am a PhD student, in a field fairly infested with wokies with pronouns next to their Zoom names and in their twitter profiles, so I can't post anything publicly. Yes I know I should be brave and do it anyway, but I just can't risk my non-existent career because I've got to earn money to survive somehow. The best I can do is not put my pronouns anywhere (English is our working language so people do use pronouns even if they're Italian). I have a feeling my supervisor also has little patience with woke stuff, and he also doesn't have pronouns listed anywhere, but I can't risk exposing myself. I once made a joke about a conference being mostly about "gender stuff" and he laughed, but I never said anything more than that.

My friends are handmaidens, for the most part, or not interested in rad fem discourse. One in particular, probably one of my dearest friends, has called JK something like "irl Voldemort"... I am very shy and don't have many friends at all, in fact I can count them on the fingers of one hand, and all of them I've known for a very long time. I love them, and again, I know this is cowardly, but I don't want to lose them. We don't talk about gender stuff at all and I'm sure they would all still love me if I came out as GC, but I am really anxious about actually doing it for fear of being judged negatively... Basically the only people I feel truly safe discussing these issues with are my mother and her best friend, who is like an aunt to me.

The only other person I can seriously discuss these topics with is my partner, but he's a man. He's very supportive and I know he agrees with me on many points, but I am also aware that he can't have any idea what it means to be a woman, and so I can't really discuss the female experience with him, can I?

I think many people in Italy either oppose the woke stances because they're right wing, or are extremely woke themselves. I don't see many GC people on the left publicly manifest their views. The r/italy subreddit I don't even visit anymore because it's full of neoliberals supporting lgbtqwerty++ leaning parties like +Europa... I read a meme once that went like "si sono dimenticati del quarto stato e adesso pensano solo al terzo sesso" (they forgot about the "fourth estate" [ie. the working class, named after a famous painting] and now all they can think about is the third sex).

I guess this is just a vent. But I'm also here to see if there are any fellow Italians who want to discuss their experience.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. I'm also not sure if languages other than English are allowed on Ovarit, so I'm going to write my post in English just in case. I feel so alone being a radical feminist in Italy right now. I am a PhD student, in a field fairly infested with wokies with pronouns next to their Zoom names and in their twitter profiles, so I can't post anything publicly. Yes I know I should be brave and do it anyway, but I just can't risk my non-existent career because I've got to earn money to survive somehow. The best I can do is not put my pronouns anywhere (English is our working language so people do use pronouns even if they're Italian). I have a feeling my supervisor also has little patience with woke stuff, and he also doesn't have pronouns listed anywhere, but I can't risk exposing myself. I once made a joke about a conference being mostly about "gender stuff" and he laughed, but I never said anything more than that. My friends are handmaidens, for the most part, or not interested in rad fem discourse. One in particular, probably one of my dearest friends, has called JK something like "irl Voldemort"... I am very shy and don't have many friends at all, in fact I can count them on the fingers of one hand, and all of them I've known for a very long time. I love them, and again, I know this is cowardly, but I don't want to lose them. We don't talk about gender stuff at all and I'm sure they would all still love me if I came out as GC, but I am really anxious about actually doing it for fear of being judged negatively... Basically the only people I feel truly safe discussing these issues with are my mother and her best friend, who is like an aunt to me. The only other person I can seriously discuss these topics with is my partner, but he's a man. He's very supportive and I know he agrees with me on many points, but I am also aware that he can't have any idea what it means to be a woman, and so I can't really discuss the female experience with him, can I? I think many people in Italy either oppose the woke stances because they're right wing, or are extremely woke themselves. I don't see many GC people on the left publicly manifest their views. The r/italy subreddit I don't even visit anymore because it's full of neoliberals supporting lgbtqwerty++ leaning parties like +Europa... I read a meme once that went like "si sono dimenticati del quarto stato e adesso pensano solo al terzo sesso" (they forgot about the "fourth estate" [ie. the working class, named after a famous painting] and now all they can think about is the third sex). I guess this is just a vent. But I'm also here to see if there are any fellow Italians who want to discuss their experience.

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Hi! I am not Italian but have lived in Italy for the last several years and got my Master's degree here.

I was just about to post on this circle asking for links to Italian radfem content, and then at the last moment decided to check if anyone else has recently written about feminism in Italy, and there you are! How did I not see your post on my home page?

Speaking of my experience in Italy, I have to admit that, much like in stereotypes about foreigners, I have not mingled much with locals over the years. Most of my acquaintances both online and in real life are English or Russian speaking. At the moment all of my feminist reading comes from Ovarit and English-speaking twitter, but I really want to change that and learn more about the feminist movement in this country I live in. By the way, if you know any Italian news sites, facebook groups etc that focus on GC feminism, I would really love a link (of course only if you feel comfortable sharing).

I have been lurking on both r/italy and r/italia, and found commenters there a combination of lgbtqwicjsns soup people and old school sexists that I don't really see that much of on the English-speaking internet. In any case, I did not expect to find compassion for women, let alone radfems, on reddit of all places.

From what I noticed, wokeism doesn't seem as prominent in Italy as it is, for example, in Spain and France? I have been experiencing more of a "just be kind" indifference than militant trans activism from the people I met here. I wonder if things have taken a sharp turn for the worse in the past few years.

So sorry for taking so long to respond, I was on mobile and didn't realise I had a notification!

I mainly follow https://feministpost.it/ through their Facebook page. I also follow Marina Terragni, who is one of the founders of the website and who has also written a few books on radfem topics (I personally started becoming a radfem after discovering her book about surrogacy).

The women of ArciLesbica Nazionale are also explicitly GC and radfem, so I recommend following them. They caused a big controversy when they came out as GC and opposed the clauses of DDL Zan concerning self ID and gender identity (I don't know how much you've heard about this topic, but it was being discussed everywhere last year). They have always been kind of controversial among the LGBT community because they have never allowed men to join (evil lesbians!). Then the conflict worsened when they started to oppose surrogacy and 'sex work', and they became primary targets of the qweers when they openly supported JK Rowling in 2020. Iirc someone even promoted a petition to kick them from pride parades or something.

I'm not sure about other groups. I think there is/was? a group called 'Se non ora quando' which had taken GC stances, but I don't remember the details.

Overall, most people probably have no idea about these ideological conflicts. I believe the vast majority of Italians divide into right wingers/conservatives (not in the American sense) who oppose everything connected to any letter of the LGBT soup, and left wingers who support 'standard' social issues such as same sex marriage, abortion, maybe same sex adoption, and the like. Most of these people have no idea what the TQ+ are actually doing, and would probably be horrified to discover what they are supporting. The militant TRAs definitely exist, but you're right that they're not as endemic and as prominent as other European countries. You'll notice that, for example, an article about gay marriage will have most of the comments vocally supporting it, but articles about TIMs in women's sport or 'trans kids' will be met with strong opposition and many people expressing thoughts like 'I support the LGBT community, but this is too much.'

However, things are getting worse for younger people. I'm not that young anymore (almost 30), but so many between 18-30 are lost causes. Unfortunately, being left wing myself, I am surrounded by these people, and it's almost impossible to find someone who supports left wing economic and social battles but opposes TQ+ trash. I think many people are not actually 'left wing' but liberals (again, not in the American sense), but they think they're champions of the left because they support this trans madness. I'm also starting to see some Italian 'non binary' women online, which makes me wonder how they communicate and interact in their native language (surely they're not expecting people to refer to them using the schwa like they do in their own posts?). One of my former uni friends came out as NB, but I haven't met her irl since, so I don't know how she manages her life without crying about misgendering every 3 minutes.

Sorry for the long comment. I hope I answered your question about radfem content. There isn't much, as many feminist groups inevitably turn to libfem nonsense, but those two I mentioned are pretty active. Please feel free to ask questions about what I wrote!

So sorry for taking so long to respond No worries, I have the same problem with Ovarit notifications, unless I specifically check them there is no way for me to find out there is a reply

Thank you so much for the links! Feminist Post especially, this is exactly what I was looking for.

I am currently working in a company where most employees are quite young, so it will definitely be interesting to try and gauge their opinions once I get to know them a bit better. Although, like you said, I can probably guess what many of them think, considering there is a TIM freely using women's spaces and having everyone refer to him as a she. He is of the HSTS variety, I think, but it feels only marginally better to change in the same room as him as opposed to an AGP type. At least there are no non-binary folx with neo-pronouns to threaten my common sense and already wonky Italian grammar.

Thank you for your thoughtful comment and sorry mine is short, I wish I was more knowledgeable to be able to discuss it in more detail

You're welcome! I'm sure working with a group of young people will make you more knowledgeable, whether you like it or not 😝 I hope the experience won't be too terrible, in spite of the TIM!

Not Italian myself, just poking my head in to say your experience of isolation and suppression is shared by many - probably most - of us here. In another context, in another age, the great English writer Virginia Woolf said: As a woman I have no country. As a women my country is the world. This is our situation, now as then, as our governments and national institutions abandon the pretense of sex-equitable policy and protections and throw us under the bus of corporate driven gender identity ideology. We're a cross-border (borderless?) sisterhood...

Thank you for your words. I feel alone sometimes, like when something bad for women happens here and I have no one to listen to me rant about it except my mum. But I also feel welcome here, so thank you for putting this sense of belonging into words