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It's just so tiring. Doesn't matter the hobby, no matter how far removed it is from gender/wokeness/idpol/etc. Sexism will show up and males will dominate the conversation.

I enjoy psychedelics. Even in the reddit psychonaut communities (supposedly full of "enlightened", empathetic people) there's males pontificating about the essential feminine nature and how male and female brains are fundamentally different. Men implying that the female brain means women don't appreciate psychs nor can they have as profound experiences.

I'd argue psychedelics are inherently feminine. They encourage introspection, increase empathy, and engender an appreciation for life. Just because hoards of women don't take heroic doses of lsd and post their novel-length, "profound" philosophy on life to reddit doesn't mean women aren't capable of philosophical thought.

Not sure why I even care anymore. I guess it's the ubiquity that gets me. The tendrils of sexism invade everywhere, because men are everywhere. Even the most enlightened man will view you as woman first, human second.

It's just so tiring. Doesn't matter the hobby, no matter how far removed it is from gender/wokeness/idpol/etc. Sexism will show up and males will dominate the conversation. I enjoy psychedelics. Even in the reddit psychonaut communities (supposedly full of "enlightened", empathetic people) there's males pontificating about the essential feminine nature and how male and female brains are fundamentally different. Men implying that the female brain means women don't appreciate psychs nor can they have as profound experiences. I'd argue psychedelics are inherently feminine. They encourage introspection, increase empathy, and engender an appreciation for life. Just because hoards of women don't take heroic doses of lsd and post their novel-length, "profound" philosophy on life to reddit doesn't mean women aren't capable of philosophical thought. Not sure why I even care anymore. I guess it's the ubiquity that gets me. The tendrils of sexism invade *everywhere*, because men are everywhere. Even the most enlightened man will view you as woman first, human second.

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Men implying that the female brain means women don't appreciate psychs nor can they have as profound experiences.

Maybe men think they have more profound experiences because their normal emotional range is about a quarter of an octave and MDMA is their first experience of empathy as an adult, so the contrast is staggering to them.

This has been my suspicion ever since the first time I had a conversation about acid trips with a straight man way back in the 1980s.

I've heard more than one man say they didn't understand that other people had feelings until they had some kind of massive psychedelic experience. It's wearisome, and rather than impressing me it just makes me deeply tired of men and what they think is profound. If they want to be impressed by the depth of something, they can look at the void where their humanity should be.

I've heard more than one man say they didn't understand that other people had feelings until they had some kind of massive psychedelic experience

This is horrifying. How men were seen as the superior sex for millennia I'll never understand

Amen. (Did this guy *act *like he knew other humans have feelings, or did he act like a typical man?)

Fuck those dudes.

I love psychedelics, generally loathe the kind of men who are into them. Honourable exception for the Nigel and a few others. The number of men who use psychedelics as an actual ego trip fucking astounds me.

NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ANYTHING, GUYS. You’d think that would be the one lesson that they could take from it, that their thoughts are meaningless and not that interesting. But instead they go to “this profound experience means that I, personally, am interesting, and everyone should know what I think.” They actually disgust me!

Skimming through SCUM makes me feel better when that happens. A nice reality check.

Being completely self-centered and unable to relate to anything outside himself, the male's 'conversation', when not about himself, is an impersonal droning on, removed from anything of human value. Male 'intellectual conversation' is a strained compulsive attempt to impress the female.

My first psychedelic experience I was the only woman. Never again. I'll never take them with men present ever. Men go on and on about bullshit they think women aren't into never considering the fact that the women aren't into them, that it could be the men ruining the experience for women and that if it was only women present it would be an entirely different experience.

Men do this with literally everything. Video games and STEM spring to mind right away. Men make these things toxic on purpose to keep women out then say we're less intelligent and enlightened because we don't participate in the shitty communities they create.

That reminds me of the *deep* *philosophical* *genius* I tried to date. He begged me to get high with him to the point of getting peevish about it (I should have known), so I did. It was some strain of weed unlike I’ve ever experienced before, but it didn’t stop him from sneering at things I was saying when he tried to get philosophical. We’re both smart people, we were both out of our trees, but he still had to sneer because I was doing his hobby wrong. Men gonna men even when they’re getting their heads up.

[–] Rodham [OP] 3 points Edited

A smug stoner, what a treat!

We’d known each other a long, long time, which is the only reason I gave him as much space as I did. Pretty sure I wouldn’t have been as patient with somebody I’d just met.

I'll never take them with men present ever

Same. I desperately want to try DMT but only if I can find a woman to do it with

You just made me realize in almost all my psychedelic experiences I was basically surrounded by women. Such luck!

Men go on and on about bullshit they think women aren't into never considering the fact that the women aren't into them

I've heard more than a few dudes wonder why "women don't have hobbies". They have interests, you're just not one of them.

Yeah, men go on and on about women not being into pen&paper rpgs ... but I have never faced the problem of having too few women in a group. All the groups I played in had at least one other woman besides me. And 90 percent of horror tales about antisocial players are about men who use roleplaying as an excuse for molesting women.

[–] KissMyOvaries 14 points Edited

I hate this kind of male. They feel superior to anyone who hasn’t had their kind of experiences. In this case, they feel superior because their trips or highs are better? I mean if all the things in life to feel better about, you put your stake in a better “high”??? I must laugh. I see the same in males who travel. They say they are more “enlightened” because of their experiences and look down on others who have not traveled, as in their mind, nobody could have such deep and profound thoughts if they have not traveled. Really, it’s just a bunch of bullshit. More of the time old tale of men having a pissing match and proclaiming their superiority.

Someone recently shared Genevieve Gluck's blogpost on ancient siberian female shamans, midwinter celebrations, reindeer goddeses, and 'magic' mushrooms. These men are obviously just trying to uphold their preexisting sexist worldviews with their own baseless speculation -- not so very 'enlightened' , eh?

I'd argue psychedelics are inherently feminine.

Agree with you 100% except this OP. I see what you're getting at but the terms feminine and masculine need to go. Nothing is inherently feminine.

I agree with you, but sometimes I’ll say stuff like that too. Not because I think it’s true but because men need to learn that if we opt for bioessentialism as a society, they will lose. Badly. Because as they stand and all throughout human history, they’re worse than we are. So is that really the way they want to go? I let them decide.

i LOVE psychedelics & really relate to what you've described. despite the online space re: drugs becoming more popular, it is nonetheless still a male-driven space. it is so unfortunate that almost all of my hobbies are tainted by maleness; i am forced to put up with misogyny if i wish to read about these topics at all. it is infuriating, especially considering the scope of the internet age. why is every site besides ovarit bombarded with this bullshit?

the worst example in my own life is true crime. i love reading & watching videos about crime cases/stories, but the misogynistic takes are inescapable. so much victim blaming (how can this woman stay with an abuser?? i guess she ultimately deserved to be murdered) & comments of why the female victim was actually a kind of bad person, too. as if anything bad a woman does means she should suffer the consequence of being murdered. unreal

[–] EternaEspiral 1 points Edited

sigh almost all of my hobbies are male centered too. I like science and tech, woodcarving, heavy metal, martial arts and science fiction, it's been draining to be honest.

I don't know how I survived my teenage years

OMG if I have to read one more stupid trip report where something not profound happened, I'm going to need more weed to deal with it.

Guy getting raped by alligator men? Hilarious. And a cautionary tale against salvia. Or maybe that was ketamine. Reading most other trip reports is like a friend explaining their dream and thinking it means anything at all to you.

I do realize, that if there are trends in differences between men and women, that men get really obsessive with things in a way that involves lots of cataloguing and arguing. I can't stand it.

that men get really obsessive with things in a way that involves lots of cataloguing and arguing

My major insight about men, when I took psychedelics (respectfully, part of ceremony), was the phrase "measure, measure, measure!" They always measuring everything against others, especially the dicks.

[There were no men present, I'd never make myself vulnerable around those]

Right? The older I get the more I can't stand "male energy", for lack of a better term. Shit is just annoying

Constant oneupmanship.

I stay away from men like that.

Maybe because it's seen that women aren't supposed to do drugs because getting high isn't ''ladylike''? Women are supposed to be on the straight and narrow, how many still view women smoking and drinking as being ''unladylike''?

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