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I’ve seen the sentiment in comment threads here before, so I wanted to have a bigger discussion.

I’ve always voted Democrat; it was the obvious choice for me because of these various things:

  • abortion
  • general feminist sentiment
  • anti- police brutality
  • general equality sentiment (wrt gender, race, income)
  • raising minimum wage (I have a high income but I think it’s valuable to vote not only in your interest)
  • care for the environment

I live in a super liberal city, with all-democrat controlled govt, and it’s been all-Democrat for decades. Here is what I observe in my city:

  • high crime (I feel unsafe even during the daytime, I’ve been accosted and screamed at by homeless men before, and there’s violent crime as well)
  • high rates of homelessness (some areas near me are so full of tents you simply can’t go through there, I worry about walking my dog and need to be hyper alert for needles everywhere)
  • in my state, abortion is legal so that’s good
  • high rates of police brutality and general racist sentiment from them (individual officers keep getting busted for their awful online posts)
  • infrastructure is quite bad; roads are in poor condition throughout my major city
  • I am not sure on the state of environmental efforts, can’t comment on that
  • minimum wage is much better than national average

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It’s sort of a mixed bag. Some things I care about are going well, many are not. Now with roe v wade going to the Supreme Court, as well as my perception that nothing particularly helpful has been passed at the national level since we got biden, I am feeling disgruntled. And, with the Democrats being all-in on trans rights stuff, that puts me off further.

But I feel the republicans have essentially NO policies I support. The only reason they aren’t pro-trans is because they want to enforce gender roles, and that’s shitty. Voting for a third party feels like I’m either not voting at all, or worse, I’m giving a vote to the republicans.

I know I’ve seen similar sentiment here before. What can we do to make ourselves heard? Is this just how it’s always been and it’s always gonna be two parties, one that promises nice things but doesn’t do shit, and one that promises terrible things and follows through?

I’ve seen the sentiment in comment threads here before, so I wanted to have a bigger discussion. I’ve always voted Democrat; it was the obvious choice for me because of these various things: - abortion - general feminist sentiment - anti- police brutality - general equality sentiment (wrt gender, race, income) - raising minimum wage (I have a high income but I think it’s valuable to vote not only in your interest) - care for the environment I live in a super liberal city, with all-democrat controlled govt, and it’s been all-Democrat for decades. Here is what I observe in my city: - high crime (I feel unsafe even during the daytime, I’ve been accosted and screamed at by homeless men before, and there’s violent crime as well) - high rates of homelessness (some areas near me are so full of tents you simply can’t go through there, I worry about walking my dog and need to be hyper alert for needles everywhere) - in my state, abortion is legal so that’s good - high rates of police brutality and general racist sentiment from them (individual officers keep getting busted for their awful online posts) - infrastructure is quite bad; roads are in poor condition throughout my major city - I am not sure on the state of environmental efforts, can’t comment on that - minimum wage is much better than national average ———— It’s sort of a mixed bag. Some things I care about are going well, many are not. Now with roe v wade going to the Supreme Court, as well as my perception that nothing particularly helpful has been passed at the national level since we got biden, I am feeling disgruntled. And, with the Democrats being all-in on trans rights stuff, that puts me off further. But I feel the republicans have essentially NO policies I support. The only reason they aren’t pro-trans is because they want to enforce gender roles, and that’s shitty. Voting for a third party feels like I’m either not voting at all, or worse, I’m giving a vote to the republicans. I know I’ve seen similar sentiment here before. What can we do to make ourselves heard? Is this just how it’s always been and it’s always gonna be two parties, one that promises nice things but doesn’t do shit, and one that promises terrible things and follows through?

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The only reason they aren’t pro-trans is because they want to enforce gender roles

I'm sure this is true, but I think also they are pro-family and the trans movement is anti-family, plus they are pro-free speech and the TRAs are against it.

At any rate, I think a two-party system can be a big problem, and party politics can be a big problem (because then you get platforms that glue together policies you love and policies you hate and then how do you vote?), but I think the really big problem is no one really knowing how to solve a lot of problems. For example, infrastructure is a problem because of car-centric development (which is a money pit) not because of left or right, and people on all parts of the political spectrum are coming together to push back on that. Poverty is another situation where neither left and right get it right, and people are more interested in ideological tribalism than innovative thinking. Ditto mental health, crime, etc.

I think it makes more sense to get really well informed about specific issues that concern you, talk to the candidates and see whether they're open to new thinking on them, then vote for those candidates that get where you're coming from on those issues. I think candidates that are willing to learn from evidence are the ones to go with.

(Note: In Canada, but same problems here, with no one to vote for at all on some issues even with all the political parties we have up here.)

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. And I guess I do support family values (not in the racist/homophobic/bad way but in the sense that family is important) and freedom of speech. I agree that clearly the democrats solutions are not working well, but they’re at least attempting to solve the problems (in some of these cases).

That’s some good advice. Can’t be making a difference if I’m not well versed on the topic. But I can’t help but feel like no matter what calls I make, no one would care