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I’ve seen the sentiment in comment threads here before, so I wanted to have a bigger discussion.

I’ve always voted Democrat; it was the obvious choice for me because of these various things:

  • abortion
  • general feminist sentiment
  • anti- police brutality
  • general equality sentiment (wrt gender, race, income)
  • raising minimum wage (I have a high income but I think it’s valuable to vote not only in your interest)
  • care for the environment

I live in a super liberal city, with all-democrat controlled govt, and it’s been all-Democrat for decades. Here is what I observe in my city:

  • high crime (I feel unsafe even during the daytime, I’ve been accosted and screamed at by homeless men before, and there’s violent crime as well)
  • high rates of homelessness (some areas near me are so full of tents you simply can’t go through there, I worry about walking my dog and need to be hyper alert for needles everywhere)
  • in my state, abortion is legal so that’s good
  • high rates of police brutality and general racist sentiment from them (individual officers keep getting busted for their awful online posts)
  • infrastructure is quite bad; roads are in poor condition throughout my major city
  • I am not sure on the state of environmental efforts, can’t comment on that
  • minimum wage is much better than national average

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It’s sort of a mixed bag. Some things I care about are going well, many are not. Now with roe v wade going to the Supreme Court, as well as my perception that nothing particularly helpful has been passed at the national level since we got biden, I am feeling disgruntled. And, with the Democrats being all-in on trans rights stuff, that puts me off further.

But I feel the republicans have essentially NO policies I support. The only reason they aren’t pro-trans is because they want to enforce gender roles, and that’s shitty. Voting for a third party feels like I’m either not voting at all, or worse, I’m giving a vote to the republicans.

I know I’ve seen similar sentiment here before. What can we do to make ourselves heard? Is this just how it’s always been and it’s always gonna be two parties, one that promises nice things but doesn’t do shit, and one that promises terrible things and follows through?

I’ve seen the sentiment in comment threads here before, so I wanted to have a bigger discussion. I’ve always voted Democrat; it was the obvious choice for me because of these various things: - abortion - general feminist sentiment - anti- police brutality - general equality sentiment (wrt gender, race, income) - raising minimum wage (I have a high income but I think it’s valuable to vote not only in your interest) - care for the environment I live in a super liberal city, with all-democrat controlled govt, and it’s been all-Democrat for decades. Here is what I observe in my city: - high crime (I feel unsafe even during the daytime, I’ve been accosted and screamed at by homeless men before, and there’s violent crime as well) - high rates of homelessness (some areas near me are so full of tents you simply can’t go through there, I worry about walking my dog and need to be hyper alert for needles everywhere) - in my state, abortion is legal so that’s good - high rates of police brutality and general racist sentiment from them (individual officers keep getting busted for their awful online posts) - infrastructure is quite bad; roads are in poor condition throughout my major city - I am not sure on the state of environmental efforts, can’t comment on that - minimum wage is much better than national average ———— It’s sort of a mixed bag. Some things I care about are going well, many are not. Now with roe v wade going to the Supreme Court, as well as my perception that nothing particularly helpful has been passed at the national level since we got biden, I am feeling disgruntled. And, with the Democrats being all-in on trans rights stuff, that puts me off further. But I feel the republicans have essentially NO policies I support. The only reason they aren’t pro-trans is because they want to enforce gender roles, and that’s shitty. Voting for a third party feels like I’m either not voting at all, or worse, I’m giving a vote to the republicans. I know I’ve seen similar sentiment here before. What can we do to make ourselves heard? Is this just how it’s always been and it’s always gonna be two parties, one that promises nice things but doesn’t do shit, and one that promises terrible things and follows through?

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I feel politically homeless. When I registered to vote at 18, I did so as a Democrat. I have never been a liberal, but I'm a centrist and a moderate on most issues and figured the Democrats were the better choice. I also knew I was going to be a minority in my state because it leans very conservative. But the Republican agenda particularly on abortion is not one I wanted to support. If woman don't have abortion and birth control rights, they cannot participate as equal members of society. I understand the religious argument, but I have never shared it.

As far as other issues go, it's a mix. I would say I'm not as liberal as many here. I would like to see more focus on crime and justice. Rehabilitation is great when it works, but some people don't deserve a second chance. Putting known violent criminals back on the streets time and time again is not acceptable. I'm not in favor of drug culture or legalizing drugs. I'm not against welfare for those who need it, but it should be a stepping stone, not a permanent way of life. Society needs to focus more on strong, traditional education. Not everyone needs to go to college. For those who can't or won't, they should be trained in a trade.

The only reason they aren’t pro-trans is because they want to enforce gender roles, and that’s shitty.

I see this sentiment a lot, but I think it's more complicated than that. There are definitely Republicans invested in traditional gender roles, like the religious right, but there are also Republicans who don't give a shit plus there are gender nonconforming Republicans. I can't think of anything the Republicans have promoted legally that would enforce certain gender roles in society. Unless I'm missing something obvious. I think a lot of them are against the TRA stuff for some of the same reasons we are. I believe it would be a mistake to think that many of them are not genuinely concerned about medicalized abuse of children or the loss of women's safety in prisons. Republican dads don't want boys in their daughters' locker rooms or competing against them in sports for the same reasons.