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[–] [Deleted] 22 points Edited

amid unfounded fears – partly fuelled by anti-vax campaigners – that getting jabbed could harm the mother, her baby or both.

Ah yeah the famous unfounded fears perpetuated by the NHS and UK government? The ones who told pregnant women not to get vaccinated and then suddenly expects mothers to just accept they've changed their mind and do what they originally said may harm their baby? Wtf.

A large part of that in medicine is simply that if we don't have enough data to suggest a medication is safe for a pregnant woman, we don't want to take the risk that it will harm their child. Most of the time, medications probably won't harm the fetus - but do we want to take the risk if we don't have evidence to prove it?

That's why it's taken so long for the vaccine to be approved for pregnant women, science needed time to produce the data and the evidence that it's safe for them. And unfortunately for some people 'we don't know if its safe yet' still means 'not safe at all' regardless of the evidence.

That's because for all pharmaceuticals, we demand that companies prove they're safe before we prescribe them to the unwashed masses.

And we do that because we know that pharmaceutical manufacturers, left to their own devices, have absolutely no qualms pretending that their products are safe and then often later have to admit that their products were, in fact, not safe enough.

And we know that because companies like Pfizer et alii have track records of doing that.

The problem is that these vaccines were not initially tested on pregnant women. Which means that every woman who gets vaccinated now is part of the trial group, which in turn means that we now rely on patients and physicians to correctly report negative outcomes and adverse events to the authorities - the same authorities that insist that vaccinations are safe because if they weren't safe, their use hadn't been authorized.

[–] Banshee 13 points Edited

It's been known for a long time that pregnant women are at higher risk of negative Covid outcomes due to, among others, temporarily decreased lung capacity. And yet, in many countries it wasn't even possible to get vaccinated until recently. I don't know the situation in the UK, but here in Denmark they only allowed us to get vaccinated at the end of July. I booked my vaccine literally within 30 minutes of receiving a message from my hospital about the new guidelines, before even the official statement started appearing in the news.

For me this is just another example how pregnant women are somehow considered incapable of making an informed choice. I had read many publicly available research articles about the risks of the disease both for the mother and the fetus, and about what was known about pregnant women getting vaccinated until then. I was scared of going out, because I didn't have the means to protect myself and my daughter-to-be, especially after the restrictions were getting phased out and I was still not allowed to get the vaccine. There were pregnant women who were showing up at the vaccination centers in baggy clothes and lying that they weren't pregnant. I understand that people have doubts about the new and the not-completely-known. But I wish pregnant women stopped being treated like stupid children. We definitely still have ways to go.

It was around the same time for pregnant women here in the UK too. It really is appalling reading this stuff; acting like pregnant women are somehow antivax instead of just following what was until recently standard advice for them.

The us didn’t formally recommend the vaccines until August, after we started making up a significant portion of hospitalizations. We were allowed to get it before, but it was a fight because doctors were telling patients not to get it because the cdc didn’t recommend it. And now we’re the largest group of at risk of serious infection individuals who are unvaccinated.

Pregnant women are definitely treated like stupid children.

My good friend very nearly died from covid while pregnant. She had held off on getting vaccinated because she wanted to wait til she got out of the first trimester. Thankfully, after weeks in the ICU, both she and her baby survived. She was able to get vaccinated and is doing great now. It was terrifying. 31 years old. Super healthy.

She filmed goodbye videos to her older children.

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Accidentally posted in o/WomensLiberation before realising it would be better here.

Nice to see pregnant women being used rather than other alternatives.

My friend miscarried four hours after getting the vaccine & miscarriage is one of the more common reported adverse impacts of the vaccine

Do you have link to any studies that claim that? Because every single study that I read show the miscarriage rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated women as the same.