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Yeah, coming at this from first-hand experience today. Amazing how you're always let down by men. you get some hope that they're seeing things clearly and haha nope, cue boner from stage right.

And again a good reminder: gender critical is not the same as radical feminism. I recently learned that a pretty outspoken GC male acquaintance (age 49) who has had extended GC conversations with me about "women's rights" and "women's spaces" is currently dating a 23 year old. Who looks SO YOUNG. Like a child. It's insane. This man is fucking 49 years old. anyway, feel free to rant away about our supposed male alliances because shit i'm pretty skeptical about them right now.

Yeah, coming at this from first-hand experience today. Amazing how you're always let down by men. you get some hope that they're seeing things clearly and haha nope, cue boner from stage right. And again a good reminder: gender critical is not the same as radical feminism. I recently learned that a pretty outspoken GC male acquaintance (age 49) who has had extended GC conversations with me about "women's rights" and "women's spaces" is currently dating a 23 year old. Who looks SO YOUNG. Like a child. It's insane. This man is fucking 49 years old. anyway, feel free to rant away about our supposed male alliances because shit i'm pretty skeptical about them right now.

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Men are GC because they don’t want to have sex with TIMs. This is the extent of their beliefs. It has nothing to do with safety or rights or anything of substance. Mr peepee knows a male body when it “sees” it and won’t get hard. Most male GC beliefs don’t extend beyond this.

[–] GenderHeretic 15 points Edited

Men's reasons for both siding with or against the idea of TWAW is based on whether they want to fuck them.

Exactly, a lot of straight guys believe in "true trans" but only when the TIM make pp hard. Blaire White is a good example. Trans is "bullshit" until the trans in question is "hot"

[–] Apricot_Ibex 8 points Edited

And based on the number of “M4T” Craigslist personals in my red state, it may be based on whether they think it’s okay to publicly announce that they want to fuck them. (I do wonder the stats on how many men who seek such encounters “on the DL” acknowledge that TIMs are male).

Bruh, we don’t care. Just all of you get out of our shower rooms.

[–] assignedpooratbirth trans-wealthy 2 points

It’s the homophobe’s “get-out-of-gay-free” card. “Noo, having sex with this feminine dude with a penis and dress doesn’t make me gay, he she identifies as a woman just like I identify as straight.”

Exactly. I don't give a flying fuck if men secretly want to have sex with TIMs. Just 1) disclose that you have sex with males if you're ever interested in a woman and 2) make sure the TIMs leave us alone and stay out of our spaces.

[–] emissch [OP] 9 points Edited

Yes, and they do quite a nice job of sort of conveying to women that it isn't coming from that perspective but of course it is, lol.

Men like to excuse this behaviour by saying only older women are upset by them dating young women, and they're 'jealous,' I'm 23... So, ahem.

If you're dating a woman half your age. You're creepy, and I'm assuming you'd date younger if you had the chance, I see no possible reason that an older man would want to be with someone my age or younger, were years apart in terms of relatability and maturity. Date your own age, or better yet; die alone.

Lmao I remember a Predditor saying """Karens""" looked at him in disgust when he'd go places with his 20-year-old girlfriend. I told him I was 24 (at the time) and would also be absolutely repulsed and feel sorry for the girl.

Also, I find it hilarious that they think older women are "jealous". As I'm getting older, I get more and more protective of young woman, since I was just that age a few years ago and know what it's like. They most likely have daughters that age and are absolutely disgusted.

Yes, 100%, i do feel protective over this girl even though I've not met her. Because I know this will only result in her being treated like shit and used.

the jealousy line is just manipulation to shut women up. Why would I even feel jealous? do I want to date this gross man? Nah i'm good thanks.

If your friend is about to step in dog poop, and you warn them, you must just be jealous of all the dog poop they get to step in!

I’m 32 so men assume that that’s me when I criticize this now, but I was just like you at 23 too. Older men would pull all the tools out to appeal to me…I was so smart, so mature, looked older than my age, acted older than my age, etc. and I’d still just be feeling like “yeah ok, my youthful energy levels and body surely don’t hurt, and why is he not attracted to anyone closer to his age, and what is he offering for all of his years? Is he stable and wise?… he’s hitting on a 22 year-old so it doesn’t seem like it…”

Ironically to me the worst were the ones with stuff to “offer” like wealth and status because they had this air about them that was as if they felt they “deserved” some young girl and all they had to do was smile and say corny stuff that signaled their status to you and it was embarrassing.

But yeah at 32 they’re like YOU'RE JUST MAD BECAUSE YOU'VE PAST YOUR PRIME AND CANT GET AN ALPHA LIKE THE HOT YOUNG GIRLS 😂

This always makes me laugh. Men are far more threatened by their younger counterparts than women.

They claim "jealousy" as they cannot imagine women simply feeling protective of other women. I'm in my mid-20s and have also spoken out against predatory behaviors for years.

Bang on the money! I’ve had this conversation to many times. Men like to claim women are “jealous” but reality is, we can just see it for what it is. People with a huge age gap rarely have things in common, completely at different stages in life etc.

They just want a young one for perv reasons and usually because the younger person will be easier to manipulate and control.

[–] proudcatlady 1 points Edited

Love your username! You, me, and @AspiringCatLady should form some kind of society.

Edit: oops I guess she left. Just us two then.

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~the bar for men~

[–] RuneOwl 6 points Edited

Yes. A big problem with male "allies" across the board and even non-radfem (usually conservative) women aligned with us on trans issues is that they rarely, if ever, apply gender criticism to anything else.

If you're actually GC, you'll pull your own weight and stop treating your wife like she's obligated to be your substitute mommy/personal domestic servant.

If you're actually GC, you'll take the men in your life off a pedestal and expect a fair, reciprocal relationship from them or leave.

If you're actually GC, you'll vehemently disagree with and challenge what your patriarchal religious upbringing taught you.

If you're actually GC, you won't flip the fuck out if your little boy plays with a princess doll or if your little girl plays with toy dinosaurs.

If you're actually GC, you wouldn't watch porn.

I mean, it's great that they acknowledge the obvious material reality of biological sex and think it's a bad idea to chemically castrate and surgically mutilate children. But that is also the absolute bare fucking minimum. You can believe that and still be a raging homophobe or an entitled misogynist whose delusional beliefs are on par with the lunatic fringe of trans activism. The bar is in hell if they think that's really challenging the status quo.

I’m 23 rn and that is STOMACH CHURNING 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮 I think you should bring up this issue that when his girlfriend victim was a baby , he was still older than her age today since he would be 26 🤢. Men are guaranteed to disappoint, bet money he’ll use the excuse that “sHe’S lEgAL “ 🤢🤢🤢 or the classic noncey line “ ShE’s VeRy MaTuRe FoR hEr AgE” 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

It's stomach churning for sure, but she's over 18... and, to me, calling her a "victim" makes it sound like she's experiencing what an actual child experiences when preyed upon by an adult. But maybe I'm reading into it too much.

Women who are 23 know they're engaging in deviant behavior when they date someone this much older, but probably don't grasp how it might damage them.

Yeah this is right on the money. I don't feel bad for them the way I feel bad for a 15 year old with a predatory boyfriend, more just saddened by a decision I see a young woman making who will suffer a LOT for it down the line.

I do view her as a victim (like what happened in this girl's life where she feels like that's normal?) but agree with u/notsofreshfeeling that it's not the "same" level of victimization if she were a minor.

god i sooooooooooo want to say something to this man. But I know all I'm gonna get is defensiveness and all those excuses you mentioned. Oh and I bet i'll get a decent helping of "yOuRe JuSt JeAlOuS" too. So cute.

It is entirely possible that he’s the one being played here. That sort of thing is not unusual now. Or it could be a mutually exploitative situation, where both parties are engaging in a “taboo” relationship so they can brag to their pals about it later.

[–] Luckystar 4 points Edited

Even Graham Lineham when asked in an interview with some GC-lite bro (Benjamin Boyce maybe?) basically said that he is GC because he thinks women should be protected and he's basically a "white knight" lol. I think imperfect allies are better than nothing but I will never fully trust a man's claims that he "cares" or "gets it".

[–] emissch [OP] 1 points Edited

yeah it's those little moments like that that give them away! disappointing and frustrating.

Nigels don't exist. Every single man has misogynistic beliefs, behaviors, or both.

I dated men substantially younger than I was a few times when I was in my late 30s. When the face across the table is fresh and youthful, it’s like stepping into a time machine. You feel younger. Lost energy and optimism returns. Unfortunately when they start speaking the illusion goes away almost immediately, LOL. Generational culture and historical references are tough going. And their friends really distrust and dislike you.

I know a couple who have a 20ish year gap and they’re solid and happy. They’ve been together close to 20 years now. But they met later in life, when he was in his 30s and she was in her 50s…. LOL. Granted, they are a unique pair.

Your 49 year old friend there is just livin’ a lucky fantasy that practically no man would pass up if given half a chance. GC or whatever. And he’s providing something for her too, otherwise they wouldn’t be together. It won’t last. Or it might. Stranger things have happened.

All because he’s GC doesn’t mean he’s above splashing around a bit in the fountain o youth. And even though she’s 23, maybe she’s sick and tired of her porn soaked peers and is dating him just to see what she’s missing. Just to see what happens.

I don't get how a 23 year old could want a 49 year old. Is he tall rich and handsome?

not at all, he's just an average dude

What made her choose him then? When I was 23 I didn't find 49 year olds attractive. Perhaps she is just experimenting with an older man. The same way you experiment with different types when you date in your early 20s?

they're not even gender critical. they just hate TiMs and effeminate guys as well as tomboys qnd TiFs because of their homophobia and misogyny. as in "no one should stray away from traditional gender roles".

at least that's the attitude of 99% of the men around me.

It's like Matt Walsh making a documentary showing the insanity of TRAs and then concluding the documentary showing his wife, in the kitchen, saying "A woman is an adult human female, and this one needs help opening this jar 🥰💅"

Genderists are bad, whether TRAs or conservative fundamentalists

Yeah they can parrot the same language as us, but it's coming from the exact opposite place.

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