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Another commentor mentioned something about the recent trend of hostility towards white women and it got me thinking; I can't be the only one that's noticed this trend in seemingly blaming white women for all the wrong in the world, can I? White women perpetuate racism, classism, ageism, ableism, etc etc etc.... White women are the literal devil, but nobody is talking about white men.

Conversations about race and intersectionality, especially when it comes to feminism, are GOOD. We should be addressing how race impacts women's experiences with misogyny, how white women can be better allies to WOC, etc. But these aren't good-faith arguments. These are people making vile, horrific misogynistic comments under the guise of critiquing "white" women. Jokes about fucking dogs, "Karens," accusations of false accusations, saying white women should be more tolerant of sexual harassment because of "cultural differences" (never mind how racist that sentiment is)... It's disgusting. Nothing about white men, though. Only white women, and the label "white" is only dubiously applied so people (mostly men) can safely hate women.

Seriously, just Google "white women," then Google "white men." Actually, no need to, I just did and here's the screencaps:

https://imgur.com/a/tapC3rJ

Notice the difference?

"How the Karen meme confronts history of white womanhood," "White women's role in white supremacy," "Dear white women, are you abusing your racial privilege?" "How white women's tears oppress women of color," versus "White men are feeling left out of diversity, equity," "White men as full diversity partners," "Wanted single, white men for research," "White men talking."

I had to bold the above two because they're both by the SAME PUBLISHER! (Forbes) This is how people view women - both the cause for all the injustices in society, and responsible to fix them. Meanwhile, men are coddled. They feel "left out" of diversity. Women are expected to bear the burden of societal progress, while men sit back feeling "excluded" and we need to ~ include them ~ as diversity partners. Maybe step up and do more, gents?

People look REALLY HARD these days for any chance they can get to hate and blame women and tacking a privileged identity onto the front makes it okay. Why aren't we saying the same thing about men? Why aren't we having conversations about how white men murder women of color, but we're making articles about "women's tears" being oppressive?

Another commentor mentioned something about the recent trend of hostility towards white women and it got me thinking; I can't be the only one that's noticed this trend in seemingly blaming white women for all the wrong in the world, can I? White women perpetuate racism, classism, ageism, ableism, etc etc etc.... White women are the literal devil, but nobody is talking about white men. Conversations about race and intersectionality, especially when it comes to feminism, are GOOD. We should be addressing how race impacts women's experiences with misogyny, how white women can be better allies to WOC, etc. But these aren't good-faith arguments. These are people making vile, horrific misogynistic comments under the guise of critiquing "white" women. Jokes about fucking dogs, "Karens," accusations of false accusations, saying white women should be more tolerant of sexual harassment because of "cultural differences" (never mind how racist that sentiment is)... It's disgusting. Nothing about white men, though. Only white women, and the label "white" is only dubiously applied so people (mostly men) can safely hate women. Seriously, just Google "white women," then Google "white men." Actually, no need to, I just did and here's the screencaps: [https://imgur.com/a/tapC3rJ](https://imgur.com/a/tapC3rJ) Notice the difference? "How the Karen meme confronts history of white womanhood," "White women's role in white supremacy," **"Dear white women, are you abusing your racial privilege?"** "How white women's tears oppress women of color," versus **"White men are feeling left out of diversity, equity,"** "White men as full diversity partners," "Wanted single, white men for research," "White men talking." I had to bold the above two because they're both by the SAME PUBLISHER! (Forbes) This is how people view women - both the cause for all the injustices in society, and responsible to fix them. Meanwhile, men are coddled. They feel "left out" of diversity. Women are expected to bear the burden of societal progress, while men sit back feeling "excluded" and we need to ~ include them ~ as diversity partners. Maybe step up and do more, gents? People look REALLY HARD these days for any chance they can get to hate and blame women and tacking a privileged identity onto the front makes it okay. Why aren't we saying the same thing about men? Why aren't we having conversations about how white men murder women of color, but we're making articles about "women's tears" being oppressive?

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[–] Firstdayinhell 79 points Edited

I have even seen someone argue that white women are the bigger threat to black people in America and that they are the cause of racism. They said that white women control white men and that they make white men commit violence by using white women tears. Because apparently white men only want to "make white women happy". The truth is that "woke" people barely hate women any less than conservatives. They are always going to blame women for men's actions and especially men's violence. So when a white man commits a violent racist crime, it must be the evil white woman who made him do it

This is amazing because all of my white women's tears didn't get the black man who raped me convicted even though he admitted it to the police. He's free and unbothered. My soul is fractured.

I'm so sorry! I will never understand how women are chastised for even the smallest supposed racism,like calling the police on a man who wants to rape you.

Yet black men's sexism and misogyny goes basically completely unchallenged. Tbh i get the American women who say fuck it, so I'm racist so what. If racism is just calling the cops on someone who wants to RAPE you, i guess everyone is racist.

If white men want to make white women happy they're doing a pretty terrible job

I saw someone say the high rate of incarcerated black males in the U.S. is due to false accusations by white women. I don't even know how they came to that conclusion.

[–] Lilith 31 points Edited

I've seen people going around claiming that putting rapists in jail is white supremacy because there are more black men in jail. Instead we can just have the rapist and victim meet to talk it out... seriously, people are pushing for that.

I don't ever hear about the black women who make up the majority of the victims of these crimes, though. These activists never seem to have any interest in them. I wonder why? (yeah we know why)

Not to mention that white men make up the majority of rapists in the US. And the majority of imprisoned black men are there because of racist policies and police forces. Not rape convictions.

They really have no idea what they're talking about.

If white tears could control white men, there wouldn't be any domestic violence against white women.

I've seen that, too. This past weekend I was accosted two separate times while out shopping and told lewd things about my butt. Both times they were men of color, whereas I am a white woman. I didn't report them for making said comments because who wants to be a Karen, and besides, what would really happen anyway?

Yeah, where I live, white men are not the ones I need to worry about by and large. I am aware this is not the case at all in many other places. But it’s fucking scary knowing the guys who pose the biggest threat are untouchable by the law and society.

My friend and I had a (dark) inside joke that while we worried less about the average white man on the street, when white men are creepy, they are creepy. Like a Black or brown man might mug me or try and grope me on the streets but that white creep will put you in his basement for 10 years.*

*DISCLAIMER yes this is not a rule just an observation between two young ladies

[–] real_feminist 16 points Edited

It's not that they are untouchable by the law or society -- they are at the mercy of white men. But not us. The police, judges, et al don't seem to like either black men or women of any race all that much.

TIMs say the same thing. Apparently the only reason men violently assault them is because not enough women agreed that TIMs need tampons.

It's so absurd, if we had the power to get men to stop attacking people, don't you think we would have used it to protect ourselves?

Yeah, these articles are cropping up everywhere. I suppose it's because people aren't actually interested in creating equality, they're interested in the performative accolades they get from hating the new thing to be outraged at. It's like a 10 minutes hate, except the people who do it aren't letting off steam; they think they're smart and they're addicted to the performance.

Here are some more for the pile: The March of the Karens White Tears/Brown Scars (This one is a book, but it can get pretty divisive, especially since I think the idea of white girls crying when upset is a learned cultural behavior that doesn't have its start in racism) White Women's Tears and the Men Who Love Them About the Weary Weaponizing of White Women Tears

White men are the ones creating this narrative. It's dumb that people keep falling for it. Like look at these assholes, they're crazy, look at what they're doing.

My real name is Karen. I thought the Karen Meme was funny at first, because I am the furthest thing from that stereotype. Then "Karen" became synonymous with any woman who speaks her mind or defends herself or her opinion. Now it irritates me and if I say so I get pelted with "stop being a Karen, KAREN!!!" Its exhausting introducing myself and always hearing a snigger or know what they're thinking at that moment. So fuck Dane Cook for starting that meme and surprise surprise, he turned out to be a groomer, but thats besides the point. I dont know what my point is. I just want to stop hating my name LOL

For what it's worth, I've always thought that Karen is a really pretty name.

Thanks spaghettiforhair :) My dad chose it, its a family name, I think it will be an extinct name tho, I cant imagine anyone naming their baby Karen now lol

There was a literal reddit post a few years back where OP was asking if he should warn his relative not to name their new baby Karen

Sorry you're dealing with that. I think eventually it will be "reclaimed" as more women realize this is used to shut all kinds of women up whenever they try to advocate for themselves.

That would be awesome, the rise and fall and rise up of (real) Karens lol

Cook's just mad his plastic surgery flopped (dude, your eyelids) and people noticed he acquired a child bride.

[–] internetgrrrl 18 points Edited

society is too entrenched in sexism and misogyny for us to ever have a nuanced discussion about the role white women play in perpetrating racism, primarily against woc. it will always turn into a "white woman = bad, and worse than white men" situation bc sexism. and it's sad, because building that relationship between white women and woc is incredibly important, especially at a time like this. but that can't happen until woc feel like their pain and suffering has been acknowledged. but it always goes like this:

woc want to discuss white women's racism specifically, especially since a lot of has to do with internalized misogyny---> rabid white and poc sjw's turn the conversation into a white woman bashing fest ---> white women feel attacked ---> well-meaning woc's voices are drowned out + the original message is lost

and the cycle continues

Yeah, I will absolutely listen to a black woman's point of view regarding white women's racism and how they feel. I don't wanna hear SHIT from a man.

yeah men need to stop talking and let women work on building our relationships with one another across racial boundaries. but they would never do that because they're afraid of us coming together. we'd be too powerful. they benefit from us being so divided and i hate it

[–] proudcatlady 2 points Edited

I lurk in black women’s social media spaces where they speak about issues affecting them as a demographic and a LOT of that is about what white women are putting them through. It’s a good way to try to get some actual real direction on what the hell NOT to do, although learning what TO do can be difficult.

I am uneasy that I have the same attitude as you. It seems wrong to say I don’t want to hear shit from a man, even if he is black, but every time I’ve given a chance to a black male creator or activist it’s just immediate misogyny. And I don’t even just mean against white women, I mean every single time it’s been hating all women. Or some of them are weirdly positive to white women and hate black women!! It is super weird and I think most of us understand that men at the bottom of male hierarchy take their feelings of emasculization out on women. But who has time for that?

[–] Tq231442 33 points Edited

I fucking died reading a comment from a pseudowoke TIM on Reddit, saying that white women perpetuate sexism and racism and the suffragette women have always kept women down.

Yes you read that correctly, a bunch of white dudes saying white women started sexism. 💀

saying that white women perpetuate sexism and racism and the suffragette women have always kept women down.

Damn Suffregettes!! Oppressing us by....putting their asses on the line to get us the right to vote???

Say what you will about conservative dudes. But at least they don't pretend to be combating racism when they claim that giving women the vote was a mistake

I think it goes back to the idea that women are responsible for keeping men of their own race in line. Which this assumption is fundamentally misogynist, because why put it on women to keep men in line? Either way, we’ve got to combat it. I’m sure this is manifesting in other racial and ethnic communities too, the women being blamed/scapegoated for what men do, even if we aren’t there to see it

[–] moody_ape 29 points Edited

white men were being dragged a while back. but now that people have discovered the "wonders" of hating white women, everyobody forgave white men. women have always been hated, but the left can't hate women because - in theory - they are our allies, right? so hating white women is ok, because they are white. they are evil like white men. no, wait: they are even worse than white men because they pretend to be victims of opression. brace ourselves! now you can hate women in piece!

i fucking hate this. it's the damn "opression points" thing from intersectionality that is behind this. and good old misogyny, of course.

Leftie men have always done this. Back in 2008, all my male co-workers joked about "Sarah Palin's slut daughter" and about how awesome it would be if pro-life women got knocked up via rape and had to birth the baby. They're always looking for acceptable female punching bags. Its just now that they've expanded from hating conservative women to hating any woman who isn't a sex-positive libfem who LOVES BDSM/kink/poly and worships at the feet of TIMs.

Yeah of course white women have contributed to racism - we're white. It's a no brainer. But now men get to use us as scapegoats for the true atrocities European men have committed across the globe. It wasn't women colonizing, murdering and enslaving. A lot of women benefited from it, but they didn't do it.

The European men did this also at a time where white women couldn't vote, couldn't own property in their own right and had no actual power at all.

And at a time when women were functionally enslaved as well. Sold by their fathers to their husbands for a life of servitude and sexual and reproductive services.

And then again, Europe isn't only composed of nations that have enslaved people of colour. I am a white woman and I can assure you every single one of my ancestors, and all the people they knew, didn't "commit atrocities across the globe" against people of colour. Maybe - perhaps - during the crusades? It's still unlikely. And yet I get to be blamed as a white woman for contributing to racism when in my country, white women are the ones trying to be open minded towards immigrants who, as a thank you, get to be misogynist shitheads that still cling to their sexist and dehumanising cultures to oppress ALL women.

I'm kinda tired of hearing that my ancestors for sure "didn't commit the crimes", but they all directly benefited from getting the commerce, resources, handwork etc that the rest of the world provided.

And as Europeans got their resources from somewhere else and their population expanded somewhere else they managed to let their own resources regenerate a bit and didn't put pressure because of bigger populations. So yeah imagine if all people in famine instead of emigrating to now USA during famine, just died, or had to use their own forests and mines, or had no commerce boost, you all benefitted and that hasn't stopped, now Europe gets young professionals (with money) not the poorest people, keeps corporations getting resources from the third world.

The inmigrants who rape are men and from countries that even being close to Europe had no resources (except oil) but that reaource were not apparent. And what when white women you directly contribute to making difficult for other women (no danger of rape) bc I'm in like my thousand german woman saying racist shit, but they don't think is racist if there's no concentration camp and extermination plan.

[–] Iceni 24 points Edited

I actually googled this way back when I noticed less in the media about feminism, more white women tropes and not understanding trans cultism as being "white feminism". This happened around six years ago.

White women were blamed for Hillary losing the 2016 election. All the media wanted to focus on was the alleged 53% of white women who voted for Trump. Except it wasn't true. https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/. It was really 47%

Probably six percentage points don't matter, but without the 53% lie, they wouldn't be able to repeat the lie that a majority of white women voted for Trump. In the 2020 election the claim was 55% of white women which really didn't add up as Biden won by a much larger margin. Now white men who voted for Trump by 64% in 2016 can all conveniently blame white women for Trump and why we've lost abortion rights in America. We're to blame for everything, apparently.

I still haven't stopped hearing about how white women all voted for Trump and they're the evil bitches behind all of our misery. Your comment is the first I heard about 64% of white men voting for trump. How many years has it been, six?

Wow: "Dear white women, are you abusing your racial privilege?" "How white women's tears oppress women of color," versus "White men are feeling left out of diversity, equity,"

I even see white women attack other white women for literally being a white woman. Like the absolute hilarity of one white woman calling out the whiteness of another white woman. It’s always some idiot from TikTok sharing their views on how white cis women are literally causing the death of the entire population of the world too - I wanna grab their phone and be like hm I notice you’re white too so do you include yourself in that or are you “identifying” as another race now?

I don’t get it though, is it that it is an easier target than white men?

yes. it is just misogyny. the left is allowed to hate white women because apparently they are too privileged and deserve the worst.

All of our rapes that still happen and all of the other abuses are the epitome of privilege!

Honestly, it makes sense from their point of view. If you say these things to a white woman, she'll grovel, apologize, and ask how she can do better. If you say them to a white man, he'll at best angrily complain and/or threaten you.

Socialisation is a hell of a drug.

(Also, which of those tow groups is going to empathize most with feeling systemically oppressed, not want others to suffer like they did, and be willing listener?)

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