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[–] lucrecia 29 points (+29|-0)

To some Americanophile cultures, such as the Philippines, that (perhaps because of the influence of Western film and TV) view a white complexion as more attractive than a brown complexion, a guy who would be of substandard looks by American standards might be the equivalent of a supermodel by local standards.

So many deluded men on the 'rationalwiki'. Their page on 'terfs' remains one of the most irrational things on the internet.

[–] GenderHeretic 19 points (+19|-0) Edited

Whoever wrote that rationalwiki entry is pretty fucking racist. That is exactly the kind of arrogant, delusional, self-serving belief held by men who order mail-order brides and are sex tourists, and I'm guessing the writer falls into one of those categories (or aspires to).

Obviously, male beauty standards in the Philippines aren't hard to find out if you don't know: https://www.preview.ph/fashion/23-photos-of-the-sexiest-male-models-in-the-philippines Surprise, there is no massive "substandard here, supermodel there!" gap in beauty standards. But even before googling male models, I'm surprised such a rational person couldn't surmise that the "influence of Western film and TV" that he mentions himself (does he seriously think TV is the basis of Western influence in the Philippines?!!) would probably create similarities in the fashion industry beyond promoting a white complexion.

[–] lucrecia 13 points (+13|-0)

I know, right? Imagine describing a whole country as 'Americanophile', for a start. And it shows these men see these women as so fundamentally other, it's really creepy.

[–] hard_headed_woman 10 points (+10|-0)

At the risk of stereotyping, I know many members of the Filipino culture, and, in general, Filipino men tend to dress and look nicer than any white incel looking for a "bride." I can't imagine my Filipino friends going for one of the slobs that think they're going to get an obedient wife who slavishly cares for their needs. LOLOLO

[–] Carrots90 7 points (+7|-0)

That is too funny.

A link to ACTUAL Filipino male models show that maybe Larry the Cable Guy won’t be considered such hot stuff due to his pasty complexion

[–] bornwithovaries 4 points (+5|-1)

It is interesting that a lot of those models look Spanish though. (Which, I understand why, but still.)

[–] GenderHeretic 3 points (+4|-1) Edited

I know, I'm not disputing the promotion of whiteness as a beauty ideal, just saying the Western influence on beauty standards extends well beyond that. The guy who wrote the rationalwiki entry only wants to believe the part that benefits him.

[–] Poppy 13 points (+13|-0)

I'm reminded of Rose and mayo hair from 90 Day Fiancé. These men must think he was a catch by Filipina standards.

[–] lucrecia 18 points (+18|-0)

I was surprised because everyone knows women who do this do it for money. Men know this, and normally don't pretend they don't know. The idea of a man who wants a 'mail order bride' is normally mocked because it means he's a controlling, abusive creep who wants a woman to serve him. So can only assume there are a bunch of men on the rationalwiki team who fit that description.

[–] wildpansy 8 points (+8|-0)

If the man wanted a genuine relationship based on something that isn't shallow they wouldn't go out of their way to seek out women half their age who they can't even communicate with without a translator present. Anfisa summed it up when her "buyer" accused her of wanting money - "Sure, I wouldn't want you if you were poor, but you wouldn't want me if I wasn't beautiful either".

[–] GenderHeretic 6 points (+6|-0)

Dammit, you beat me to it!! XD God damn, the reaction of every single person when they met him...

a guy who would be of substandard looks by American standards might be the equivalent of a supermodel by local standards.

Oh, they wish.

[–] RikkiTikkiTavi 24 points (+24|-0)

Under the Criticism section: (which you might think would be criticism against the practice...)

A typical site railing against American women says:[14] “”American men have options. American women do not. So the American women huff and puff, and scowl at the incoming foreign brides who don't demand the feminazi equality bullshit. You WISH American men didn't have choices. You're like a labor union that's pissed off because the company is hiring non-union employees.

So, 'feminazi equality bullshit'. What a nuanced and distinguished way of phrasing your views on women. I cannot fathom why you must buy a downtrodden and impoverished woman to be your bride. You sir sound like quite a catch!

[–] DebraKadabra 6 points (+6|-0)

You could put a bullhorn to these guys' ears and say "I don't want any sir." and they still don't hear it. Any complaint I have is because I care about the welfare of my fellow women.

I lived in an Asian country for a time, and the amount of shit I got from my white American male counterparts was ridiculous. Cool story bro - but I'm honestly glad you find my American ass unappealing. Off with you while I snog this Brit who thinks my accent is "cute." XD

[–] finn-again 16 points (+16|-0)

It's hard to distinguish this mail-order-bride world from the world of prostitution. Once again, it's all about availability, catalogs, selecting one or more among many, exploiting, and dominating. The only difference is that the uses of these women are more multiple than singular--they go beyond the sexual to the economic or to the housewife who performs dozens of subservient roles. Anyway, this is why we often hear of these "brides" put to all kinds of sexual uses (including prostitution) and being locked into slave-like conditions. It's often more than just disgruntled misogynists western men opting for more servile and exotic women.

[–] bornwithovaries 3 points (+3|-0)

Nah, they're still disgruntled. Disgruntled because we see through them.

[–] bellatrixbells 8 points (+8|-0)

LOL "rational" Wiki 😂😂

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Autogynephilia

"Pseudo scientific belief" and "93% of women experience autogynephilia" 😂😂😂

Excuse us if we get aroused when we form sexual fantasies starring ourselves as ourselves 😂😂😂

Jesus wtf is this site 😂

[–] wildpansy 3 points (+3|-0)

Posting a Contrapoints video as a "debunking" of anything, lol, these people calling themselves rational is the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

[–] bellatrixbells 3 points (+3|-0)

LOL the last time I tried debunking William Wynn I stopped after taking half an hour to unpack two sentences X'D

That guy is such an angry incel, I think it's actually funny X'D

[–] HessaHein 7 points (+7|-0)

The mail-order bride industry is just low-level trafficking for men who have low empathy and money to spend. I don't feel sorry for men who then get scammed by their precious brides.

[–] Researcher1536 6 points (+6|-0)

Why the fuck is this labeled a sexuality?? Buying an economically vulnerable woman is now a sexuality to these cretins. "Don't make fun of me for buying a woman, bigot!"