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Found this blog in the medicine subreddit. Unfortunately the guy talks waaay more about his sociological insights, plenty of them about women, than psychiatry.

I think this might be worthy to discuss so we can break down his points. Some of his quotes:

"if some field keeps the trappings of power but loses actual power, women enter it in droves and men abandon it like the Roanoke Colony."

"I know, I know, women get paid less then men. Sigh. There are a million reasons for this, but the most important is the simplest: some people want to get more money from the job, and some other people want the job to offer them more money, and they are not the same people"

"We need more women in power." Wrong preposition, dummy, but anyway you have them. You have judges and prosecutors and twenty female senators, what has it gotten you? Your own ground floor women don't protect each other, you know who had to come to this teen's aid? Anonymous. Men."

"And if the girls did nothing, it means they were taught to do nothing, and the people most responsible for that lesson was other women."

I found this is the prototype of misogyny by intellectual men that do have some grasp on how capitalism works and how liberal feminism is a product, that knows of socialization and recognizes that men dominate the world/women and still have nothing positive to say about feminism or women because it is threatening to him, as a man.

So of course, he blames women. Women are the ones teaching women how to behave, how to be a victim, how to be less then men. This is truth at some extend, because patriarchy is also supported by women, but we in no shape or form benefiting from it. He compares women to black slaves and asks why they do not rise up, knows it is because of the "system", but I think he missed the obvious threat of violence common to both.

It all comes down to men beating us into submission, from centuries, both physically and mentally. He has no idea what is the psychological terror of being raped or even the threat of being physically weaker than 50% of the population. The problem he presents isn't why men are violent, but "why women don't fight back." The problem of rape isn't a men's problem of being violent, but a women problem of not cooperating to stop it.

Of course he picked a specific example of women being potentially able to help another woman, but choose not to. Most rapes however do not happen in such setting, but inside homes, with a relative/familiar adult to a girl. He also conveniently ignores how much women have done for women, to fight against rape, to ask for better salaries, etc

Everything women conquer to this type of men has no merit. Not because the system is so powerful as he seems to imply, but because he hates women. He refuse to see anything good that we may have accomplished, presenting everything we conquer as given to us by men to further manipulate us, or empty victories..

I find this kind of thinking is the norm in the intellectual misogyny bubble.

Thoughts?

- https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html Found this blog in the medicine subreddit. Unfortunately the guy talks waaay more about his sociological insights, plenty of them about women, than psychiatry. I think this might be worthy to discuss so we can break down his points. Some of his quotes: > "if some field keeps the trappings of power but loses actual power, women enter it in droves and men abandon it like the Roanoke Colony." > "I know, I know, women get paid less then men. Sigh. There are a million reasons for this, but the most important is the simplest: some people want to get more money from the job, and some other people want the job to offer them more money, and they are not the same people" > "We need more women in power." Wrong preposition, dummy, but anyway you have them. You have judges and prosecutors and twenty female senators, what has it gotten you? Your own ground floor women don't protect each other, you know who had to come to this teen's aid? Anonymous. Men." > "And if the girls did nothing, it means they were taught to do nothing, and the people most responsible for that lesson was other women." I found this is the prototype of misogyny by intellectual men that do have some grasp on how capitalism works and how liberal feminism is a product, that knows of socialization and recognizes that men dominate the world/women and still have nothing positive to say about feminism or women because it is threatening to him, as a man. So of course, he blames women. Women are the ones teaching women how to behave, how to be a victim, how to be less then men. This is truth at some extend, because patriarchy is also supported by women, but we in no shape or form benefiting from it. He compares women to black slaves and asks why they do not rise up, knows it is because of the "system", but I think he missed the obvious threat of violence common to both. It all comes down to men beating us into submission, from centuries, both physically and mentally. He has no idea what is the psychological terror of being raped or even the threat of being physically weaker than 50% of the population. The problem he presents isn't why men are violent, but "why women don't fight back." The problem of rape isn't a men's problem of being violent, but a women problem of not cooperating to stop it. Of course he picked a specific example of women being potentially able to help another woman, but choose not to. Most rapes however do not happen in such setting, but inside homes, with a relative/familiar adult to a girl. He also conveniently ignores how much women have done for women, to fight against rape, to ask for better salaries, etc Everything women conquer to this type of men has no merit. Not because the system is so powerful as he seems to imply, but because he hates women. He refuse to see anything good that we may have accomplished, presenting everything we conquer as given to us by men to further manipulate us, or empty victories.. I find this kind of thinking is the norm in the intellectual misogyny bubble. Thoughts?

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[–] furyosa no, thank you 7 points

I'm not familiar with The Last Psychiatrist but seems to be a male psychiatrist from what I could find?

"And if the girls did nothing [about the girl being raped by high school football players at a party], it means they were taught to do nothing, and the people most responsible for that lesson was other women."

"Which means that [the girls at the party] were taught [to be passive onlookers while the high school football players raped another girl] from somewhere, and the only place that it could have come was older women."

Every stupid parent teaches their girls not to get raped, duh, but have any mothers spent any time indoctrinating their daughters what to do if another woman is being raped?

This is just more of the same old victim blaming that contributes to paralyzing women from acting in the first place. Why exactly are other/older women "most responsible" for high school girls being paralyzed when faced by the horror of witnessing a rape? Why are male influencers in the girls' lives exempt from the author's reproach? Sure, you can train someone out of the freeze response when facing a traumatic event, but that requires precedent and a culture of having others back you up when you take action. This is why feminism is fighting against rape culture which is very much held up and perpetuated by men/boys.

but have any mothers spent any time indoctrinating their daughters what to do if another woman is being raped?

It's weird how it's just so natural for him that women should have to live so much with rape that it hangs over their heads and they all have to have protocol for dealing with it. Like it's just totally normal and we shouldn't do anything about that. Like we just need to accept that rape is a part of life and the men who do it should never be expected to stop raping. instead we should just berate rape victims and women for... what exactly? This is just more worthless drivel from yet another misogynistic myopic dude

Exactly. Victim blaming worded with pseudo intelectual BS.

He doesn't mind male violence. It's women hating the same old problem. His contrived analogy to black slavery and taking too seriously Tarantino movies is telling.

What’s weird is that it’s almost like he’s admitting men don’t know how to not be rapists. Otherwise, why shouldn’t a father also be able to teach his daughter the same thing as a mother? And, more importantly, what about teaching boys not to rape?

Maybe if we got 90% female judges, and 90% percent prosecutors, 90% CEOs maybe we can see if it was worth having more women in power. Women are not at fault for mysoginistic behaviour but we are the ones that have to denounce it and sometimes that is considered literal violence.

Women speaking up against men is literal violence, one of the base rules of misogyny.

What he says is true to some extend. Women are the most oppressed group and also the group less likely to stand up for their own. Most women are double agents of patriarchy and only a handful of women are prepared to be shaun by society because of caring more for women than for men. What he doesn't get is that what mens thinks makes us a women (femeninity thats to say submission) is what makes our sex so pathetic. To be free most women have to fight what they think makes herself a women and little women are disposed to do that. So we are stuck in that system because we are social animals and most not prepared to be alone. He is also an hypocrite because if he though women would stand up for themselves and stop this pathetic male serving behaviour he would turn a violent misogynystic and do everything he could to stop it as most men will.

Yes, the gun part was terrible. A random women saying something he actually agrees on the internet, the association with guns and masculinity, triggers him because he is the one that can roll his eyes at the cheap consumerism focusing on gender. If it was a men I beat he wouldnt think twice of it.

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 3 points

There’s two parts to power one is being willing and able to do what is necessary and the other part is from other people. Women have problems with both, not being willing/able to do what is necessary and other people especially men reacting badly when we do. Yes women train girls in this cycle because it’s a cause effect relationship: if you behave passively you will not be punished as harshly, but if you risk self respect you will be raped, killed, outcast, shamed (etc) by men almost exclusively, to maintain male power. A mother is not ordinarily going to teach her child to risk her life or bring shame and deprivation on herself or the family. It’s not women who deliver the ultimate punishments, but women have not successfully ended them either, which is the only path to power. This is what powerlessness looks like. Oppression is a vicious cycle that reinforces dependence and passivity in exchange for survival. It’s not like women who tell the truth, work hard, build new things, break into independence or behave heroically are thanked and celebrated the way men who are barely adequate are. When the rewards are slim to none so is the behavior. We are fighting an uphill battle.

Yes, I can see that. You are rewarded by the system if you conform to gender expectations, if you do not there's only opposition. It does get tiring sometimes.

Some men do realize that the system molds women, that we fight an uphill battle, but only to poke at the wound and kick us while we are down. They delude themselves thinking they can protect us from patriarchy, that they know what is real freedom. But I while I want women to stand up for ourselves and have more agency, I do no want to look after men for examples. Rather the opposite. If they build such a unfair system then there's nothing to gain by playing their rules.

They're giving us a preview of how women's issues will be responded to from now on.

I've seen men seriously say that women are the real domestic abusers, and rape as much as men.

The logic "the women are at fault for being victims" can easily shift into "the women are at fault for making victims"z riding on women hating everything and propaganda everything is possible.