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I saw a youtube short that highlighted what a massive waste of money and time makeup is.

Look at all that product she has on her face. And in the end, once she was done blending it together, it made....no difference. She looked exactly the same, except a bit tanner maybe?

Sis started out looking like the Colossal Titan, yet a guy on the street would look at her and probably think she's not wearing any makeup at all.

Like no disrespect if makeup is your thing, but WHY do we do this to ourselves? She spent hours doing that. I don't know why she seemed upset to blend it when she knew she'd have to take it off at the end of the day anyway. You can argue that makeup is like art for your body but at least a painter won't break out in zits if he doesn't destroy his painting before he goes to sleep.

Apparently she likes to do SFX makeup which is cool looking but my god is it worth it? Literally every "remove my makeup with me" video has her wincing in pain. All I can hope is that youtube and tiktok pay her decent enough money to justify doing it.

I saw a youtube [short](https://youtube.com/shorts/WbDOByBXdbc?feature=share) that highlighted what a massive waste of money and time makeup is. Look at all that product she has on her face. And in the end, once she was done blending it together, it made....no difference. She looked exactly the same, except a bit tanner maybe? Sis started out looking like the Colossal Titan, yet a guy on the street would look at her and probably think she's not wearing any makeup at all. Like no disrespect if makeup is your thing, but WHY do we do this to ourselves? She spent *hours* doing that. I don't know why she seemed upset to blend it when she knew she'd have to take it off at the end of the day anyway. You can argue that makeup is like art for your body but at least a painter won't break out in zits if he doesn't destroy his painting before he goes to sleep. Apparently she likes to do [SFX](https://youtube.com/shorts/-DTqlAVmn9I?feature=share) makeup which is cool looking but my god is it worth it? Literally every "remove my makeup with me" video has her wincing in pain. All I can hope is that youtube and tiktok pay her decent enough money to justify doing it.

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I’m grateful I haven’t worn any for years but it took time for me to feel comfortable bare faced. It’s a psychological adjustment.

My mom is one that always wears makeup and I grew up thinking it was necessary.

Seeing other women without it helps me feel normal. MichFest was amazing for this. So many women just being who they are. I went in 2015 and there were 6006 women in attendance.

Beautiful.

Women need spaces like this.

[–] WhatTheHecate 8 points Edited

I grew up thinking it was necessary, too. I started getting adult acne in my 20s and never left the house without powder foundation on my face to cover it, which of course then meant I had to put on eye makeup and blush to avoid looking washed out.

During COVID, I went barefaced for a few weeks for the first time in my adult life. Wouldn’t you know it, my face cleared right up. I got used to the way my natural face looked, and now I haven’t worn makeup in a couple years aside from the occasional mascara and tinted chapstick when I randomly feel like it.

It feels great, and I haven’t had a zit in ages. I don’t feel strongly about my face either way. It’s just my face. It’s how I look. Why would I feel the need to alter it daily?

Makeup can be fun as a creative pursuit if you’re into it, and I understand why women in different situations may feel it’s a good or necessary choice for them, but for me it was a huge burden lifted to not feel compelled anymore. Throwing all that toxic shit away felt like leaving a bad relationship.

This is almost what happened with me. When I was a teen, I started wearing foundation and the works because I had terrible acne. But when I had my children, I just never had time to bother with a full face anymore and gradually just stopped wearing it. Incredibly, my skin cleared up. Even more incredibly, people started complimenting me on my "perfect skin." Like ... I went from having horrible cystic acne with scars (I'm not even joking -- my cheeks had pits from the acne) to having people, including one medical professional, tell me that I had "gorgeous" skin. I don't do JACK with it these days apart from cleansing (and SPF when outside). I guess now that I've spent almost 20 years or so not messing with it, it's had time to heal and clear up, and now it looks healthier since I'm not clogging it all the dang time.

Make up is a waste of money and time. What a tragedy for women that we’ve been coerced and conned into wasting so much of our money and time. Women should consider stopping wearing that shit in solidarity with other women, so other women won’t feel like the only ones not doing it. Every time we perform conformity with these standards we’re helping to be the pressure on other women.

I don’t know when I stopped bothering but it’s so nice being able to scratch an itch without worrying that I just made myself look ridiculous. Now makeup looks weird to me. It changes your perception as you get used to it either way.

Every time we perform conformity with these standards we’re helping to be the pressure on other women.

Yup. It's kind of like the Prisoner's Dilemma/ Game Theory.

Makeup can be genuinely enjoyable, but there is no way to untangle that aspect from the much larger social conformity, facial dysmorphia, etc.

I enjoy make up in the same way I enjoy colour matching my shoes to my jacket, but there's a big difference between a bit of eye shadow and lipstick in a nice colour and smothering your entire face in a smorgasbord of colours to try and create a "natural look" just be you no one has perfect skin and trying just looks odd like a greasy doll.

I wear makeup because of its social currency, but I know why I'm doing it. It's not empowering, its my way of having the upper hand in a world where I have nothing as a woman.

[–] [Deleted] 14 points Edited

This is why right wing women perform femininity basically.

It's not at all feminist, of course, but a girl's gotta eat.

I don't wear makeup most of the time, but if the focus is on me at work? Yes, I put on the fucking makeup. I don't like it, but I have kids who need me to make money so they can live.

This started with me when I was waiting tables/tending bar. I'm a visual artist and therefore good at makeup - Halloween is my JAM- and every time I wore a careful makeup job to work, I made half again as much as when I didn't. I complained about this, and a friend said, "Of course you need to make more money. Just know that it isn't because you look better, it's because you have more submissively packaged yourself for consumption." That was more than a decade ago, and I have never forgotten it.

Exactly. This is why wearing makeup is OPPRESSION. We are punished for not doing it. Regardless of whether any of us personally likes it (wholly irrelevant), the fact that it is part of our ritualized submission that we are punished for not performing shows exactly what it is.

it isn't because you look better, it's because you have more submissively packaged yourself for consumption

This woman's wisdom needed to be QFT.

I’ve never worn makeup and if you put a gun to my head and asked me to put some on I’d be lost on how to do it. Hopefully I’ll never have to. The one time I wore it was when my mom put it on me for prom, and I cried in the bathroom mirror over how uncanny I looked and washed it off in the sink before going.

That's great! Makeup still oppresses you, though. Your mom forced it on you for a reason. You may be losing out on opportunities you don't even know about because you aren't wearing it like you are "supposed to".

I think it is a very brave and radical act to not wear it ever. That's what is necessary for things to actually change, so kudos to you! Big time.

Yes. I had a job interview last month and I wore makeup for the first time in ages. I'm an "older candidate" (that's how the recruiter described me) and I know that doesn't work in my favor. So I wore makeup because I figured it might be just a little bit helpful.

What a prick

Sadly, she was just stating reality. I know my age doesn't make getting a job any easier. I hate that, but this is the world we live in.

An advantageous chain?

[–] 17throwaways17 10 points Edited

I work in public relations, when I wear makeup/look better I get ahead. I get favoured, I get accolades at my job, I get lucrative jobs, I get to meet influential media. In theory and reality makeup sucks, but it also gets you ahead in the real world depending on your career. I got further by playing into it than any hard work I could have done has gotten my peers. Its a sad reality but it is reality.

I also face less racism when I'm made up.

As a women who has never weared make up. Who favoured you and why? It is because of looking more attractive to men? Can you explain why that will happen. I don't want to make you feel bad about it, just curious about how it works?

I'm so sorry that some women can't go without makeup because of their job (for example, stewardesses, for a job interview, many more examples in this thread).

For the rest, they should try to stop. They create insecurities just to make money off of you. The industry is horrible for the environement. They make you break out even more, so you need more make up.

It’s annoying that men are normalizing not shaving as compatible with looking “professional” but for women, makeup is still de rigueur in so many fields.

[–] eire 12 points

I do like how expensive grooming is now being sold to men and they are now big receivers of botox. Apparently, in the US, a large percentage of plastic surgeons are armed in the office due to unhinged male patients being unhappy with results and confronting them!

This is a sidestep, but: What is it about cosmetic surgery on men that inevitably results, if they have too much, in a more feminine look? Ivanka Trump's husband looks like Caitlyn Jenner just before the trans reveal. And much as I dislike the guy, he was quite handsome before. He had cute dimples. Zac Efron has started to look like a middle-aged woman after going through a weird uber-macho set of chins. What is it about the facial changes that begin to read as feminine?

I think it is due to shaving down the bones and cartilage. Also, getting your teeth too done can make men look very feminine.

The fillers and botox take out the "rugged" aspects of their face leaving them looking bizarrely smooth. The combination leaves them looking feminine.

Plastic surgery when done right for cosmetic reasons leaves the patients looking like they were on a nice relaxing holiday, not like a different person.

People from "old money" or certain backgrounds do not really bother with plastic surgery and if they do, it is incredibly hard to tell and never spoken about. This openness in this terrible practice is just reflective of the people doing it.

The state of plastic surgery is best reflected by how there are now "trends" in it.

I’ve been actively trying to cut back on make up usage. Started realizing a few years back that no one really cared (or noticed?) whether I spent an hour doing the whole concealer, base, foundation, contouring etc or just 30secs throwing on gloss and some mascara 😆 My husband is the most happy since getting ready is much faster, lol.

Yup, started slowly cutting down over thenlast few years down to nothing at all

Yeah I had a lot of men and other people in general pressuring me not to wear it. Not wearing makeup for men isn’t empowering either

You save money and time so yeah it is empowering not to wear it.

Not breaking your chains when it aligns with something certain men around you want is stupid. Guess we should stop telling women to give up the razor since some men like hairy women.

[–] ghoul2 3 points Edited

Sis started out looking like the Colossal Titan

Girl you're killing me lmaoooo.

A lot of these extreme blending and contouring techniques were adapted from drag.

I think it's a con for different reasons beyond it just being not that noticable. since the market exploded in the last ten years, accelerating rapidly aroud 2016-2017, brands are really trying to make a groundbreaking palette but nothing is ever going to be as impactful like ABH Modern Renaissance. It's now a con because even colors that used to be hard to find now are commonplace and companies are discontinuing a lot of their tried and true formulas that older consumers liked in favor of products that could go viral on tiktok or fit a younger aesthetic and whatnot. Colourpop is bad about that, subtly raising their prices, issuing colors constantly that are dupes of each other but making them all limited edition so it's actually hard to compare it to what you already have. I know a lot of people here were mad about Temptalia going TRA but her website is one of the best aids against hyperconsumption because you can compare things to things you already own using her website. And Colourpop contributed to my breaking point with makeup, their constant wasteful release cycle, their product quality going downhill while they phase out their most loved stuff to push more expensive product... (like replacing the ultra glossy lip that was $5 with the luxe gloss that is $7 and ISN'T BETTER and comes in packages that uses more plastic). Also the Norvina palettes that people were going nuts for but were full of dupes of itself. I could rant all day about the absolute state of makeup

Edit to add: and I don't even wear it. I wear a tinted lipbalm but that's it

I've had three women I've known explain to me that they like doing their makeup because it's the only creative thing they get to do on a daily basis. I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand it makes me sad because I mourn for their lack of creative outlets, but at the same time if it's something that bring joy to their everyday life I don't want to stomp on that. I just wish they had creative outlets or the desire to explore other creative options that aren't steeped in oppression.

You should feel like they lied to you and themselves because they did. Only creative outlet? Yeah sure totally I bet that's the only reason they "like" it. 🙄

Literally begging these women to learn to write. It's free and it doesn't destroy your self esteem or your face.

It's why I won't ever wear makeup, apart from maybe a bit of concealer to keep the spider angiomas on my nose from standing out so much, but honestly those things have been on my face for so long that everyone knows I have them.

The way I see it, when it comes to products I ask myself two questions:

1) Do I want to use this?

2) If I were a man, would I be expected to use this?

If the answer to both questions is no, then I don't even bother.

Edit: I don't even bother covering the spider angiomas anymore. They won't go away, so I've decided to just accept being stuck with them.

I have telangiectasias and a decent amount of background redness. With Covid, I stopped wearing makeup completely, and it’s been liberating.

However, my life has also been very small in this time.

When I widen it, I might go back to wearing concealer or foundation, to be honest.

I don’t know about you, but I get the feeling some people assume I’ve got unwholesome habits. (I have one drink like once a year!) Some people get the cute ruddy cheeks, which makes it look like they’re into outdoor sports, I know I just look unhealthy. Bummer.

The angiomas I have appear as two red dots on the bridge of my nose, one above the other. They first appeared two years ago when the pandemic started so I think they were triggered by the irritation from wearing a mask. They have not even faded away since and a month ago I went to the dermatologist who confirmed my suspicions that they were spider angiomas. It kind of looks like I have two pimples on my nose all the time, but that of course isn’t the case. They’re annoying to me sometimes but not harmful ultimately.

I think they can get rid of those with lasers

Yeah I’ve been told laser treatment can remove them but I’m debating whether it would be worth the money.

[–] Wegotthebeat 0 points Edited

They come back, so it’s got to be done semi regularly. Some people find it worthwhile, me I think makeup is actually the more economical choice.

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