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I saw a youtube short that highlighted what a massive waste of money and time makeup is.

Look at all that product she has on her face. And in the end, once she was done blending it together, it made....no difference. She looked exactly the same, except a bit tanner maybe?

Sis started out looking like the Colossal Titan, yet a guy on the street would look at her and probably think she's not wearing any makeup at all.

Like no disrespect if makeup is your thing, but WHY do we do this to ourselves? She spent hours doing that. I don't know why she seemed upset to blend it when she knew she'd have to take it off at the end of the day anyway. You can argue that makeup is like art for your body but at least a painter won't break out in zits if he doesn't destroy his painting before he goes to sleep.

Apparently she likes to do SFX makeup which is cool looking but my god is it worth it? Literally every "remove my makeup with me" video has her wincing in pain. All I can hope is that youtube and tiktok pay her decent enough money to justify doing it.

I saw a youtube [short](https://youtube.com/shorts/WbDOByBXdbc?feature=share) that highlighted what a massive waste of money and time makeup is. Look at all that product she has on her face. And in the end, once she was done blending it together, it made....no difference. She looked exactly the same, except a bit tanner maybe? Sis started out looking like the Colossal Titan, yet a guy on the street would look at her and probably think she's not wearing any makeup at all. Like no disrespect if makeup is your thing, but WHY do we do this to ourselves? She spent *hours* doing that. I don't know why she seemed upset to blend it when she knew she'd have to take it off at the end of the day anyway. You can argue that makeup is like art for your body but at least a painter won't break out in zits if he doesn't destroy his painting before he goes to sleep. Apparently she likes to do [SFX](https://youtube.com/shorts/-DTqlAVmn9I?feature=share) makeup which is cool looking but my god is it worth it? Literally every "remove my makeup with me" video has her wincing in pain. All I can hope is that youtube and tiktok pay her decent enough money to justify doing it.

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I’m grateful I haven’t worn any for years but it took time for me to feel comfortable bare faced. It’s a psychological adjustment.

My mom is one that always wears makeup and I grew up thinking it was necessary.

Seeing other women without it helps me feel normal. MichFest was amazing for this. So many women just being who they are. I went in 2015 and there were 6006 women in attendance.

Beautiful.

Women need spaces like this.

[–] WhatTheHecate 8 points Edited

I grew up thinking it was necessary, too. I started getting adult acne in my 20s and never left the house without powder foundation on my face to cover it, which of course then meant I had to put on eye makeup and blush to avoid looking washed out.

During COVID, I went barefaced for a few weeks for the first time in my adult life. Wouldn’t you know it, my face cleared right up. I got used to the way my natural face looked, and now I haven’t worn makeup in a couple years aside from the occasional mascara and tinted chapstick when I randomly feel like it.

It feels great, and I haven’t had a zit in ages. I don’t feel strongly about my face either way. It’s just my face. It’s how I look. Why would I feel the need to alter it daily?

Makeup can be fun as a creative pursuit if you’re into it, and I understand why women in different situations may feel it’s a good or necessary choice for them, but for me it was a huge burden lifted to not feel compelled anymore. Throwing all that toxic shit away felt like leaving a bad relationship.

This is almost what happened with me. When I was a teen, I started wearing foundation and the works because I had terrible acne. But when I had my children, I just never had time to bother with a full face anymore and gradually just stopped wearing it. Incredibly, my skin cleared up. Even more incredibly, people started complimenting me on my "perfect skin." Like ... I went from having horrible cystic acne with scars (I'm not even joking -- my cheeks had pits from the acne) to having people, including one medical professional, tell me that I had "gorgeous" skin. I don't do JACK with it these days apart from cleansing (and SPF when outside). I guess now that I've spent almost 20 years or so not messing with it, it's had time to heal and clear up, and now it looks healthier since I'm not clogging it all the dang time.

Makeup can be genuinely enjoyable, but there is no way to untangle that aspect from the much larger social conformity, facial dysmorphia, etc.

I enjoy make up in the same way I enjoy colour matching my shoes to my jacket, but there's a big difference between a bit of eye shadow and lipstick in a nice colour and smothering your entire face in a smorgasbord of colours to try and create a "natural look" just be you no one has perfect skin and trying just looks odd like a greasy doll.

I wear makeup because of its social currency, but I know why I'm doing it. It's not empowering, its my way of having the upper hand in a world where I have nothing as a woman.

[–] [Deleted] 14 points Edited

This is why right wing women perform femininity basically.

It's not at all feminist, of course, but a girl's gotta eat.

I don't wear makeup most of the time, but if the focus is on me at work? Yes, I put on the fucking makeup. I don't like it, but I have kids who need me to make money so they can live.

This started with me when I was waiting tables/tending bar. I'm a visual artist and therefore good at makeup - Halloween is my JAM- and every time I wore a careful makeup job to work, I made half again as much as when I didn't. I complained about this, and a friend said, "Of course you need to make more money. Just know that it isn't because you look better, it's because you have more submissively packaged yourself for consumption." That was more than a decade ago, and I have never forgotten it.

Exactly. This is why wearing makeup is OPPRESSION. We are punished for not doing it. Regardless of whether any of us personally likes it (wholly irrelevant), the fact that it is part of our ritualized submission that we are punished for not performing shows exactly what it is.

it isn't because you look better, it's because you have more submissively packaged yourself for consumption

This woman's wisdom needed to be QFT.

I’ve never worn makeup and if you put a gun to my head and asked me to put some on I’d be lost on how to do it. Hopefully I’ll never have to. The one time I wore it was when my mom put it on me for prom, and I cried in the bathroom mirror over how uncanny I looked and washed it off in the sink before going.

That's great! Makeup still oppresses you, though. Your mom forced it on you for a reason. You may be losing out on opportunities you don't even know about because you aren't wearing it like you are "supposed to".

I think it is a very brave and radical act to not wear it ever. That's what is necessary for things to actually change, so kudos to you! Big time.

Yes. I had a job interview last month and I wore makeup for the first time in ages. I'm an "older candidate" (that's how the recruiter described me) and I know that doesn't work in my favor. So I wore makeup because I figured it might be just a little bit helpful.

What a prick

Sadly, she was just stating reality. I know my age doesn't make getting a job any easier. I hate that, but this is the world we live in.

An advantageous chain?

[–] 17throwaways17 10 points Edited

I work in public relations, when I wear makeup/look better I get ahead. I get favoured, I get accolades at my job, I get lucrative jobs, I get to meet influential media. In theory and reality makeup sucks, but it also gets you ahead in the real world depending on your career. I got further by playing into it than any hard work I could have done has gotten my peers. Its a sad reality but it is reality.

I also face less racism when I'm made up.

As a women who has never weared make up. Who favoured you and why? It is because of looking more attractive to men? Can you explain why that will happen. I don't want to make you feel bad about it, just curious about how it works?

Make up is a waste of money and time. What a tragedy for women that we’ve been coerced and conned into wasting so much of our money and time. Women should consider stopping wearing that shit in solidarity with other women, so other women won’t feel like the only ones not doing it. Every time we perform conformity with these standards we’re helping to be the pressure on other women.

I don’t know when I stopped bothering but it’s so nice being able to scratch an itch without worrying that I just made myself look ridiculous. Now makeup looks weird to me. It changes your perception as you get used to it either way.

Every time we perform conformity with these standards we’re helping to be the pressure on other women.

Yup. It's kind of like the Prisoner's Dilemma/ Game Theory.

I'm so sorry that some women can't go without makeup because of their job (for example, stewardesses, for a job interview, many more examples in this thread).

For the rest, they should try to stop. They create insecurities just to make money off of you. The industry is horrible for the environement. They make you break out even more, so you need more make up.

It’s annoying that men are normalizing not shaving as compatible with looking “professional” but for women, makeup is still de rigueur in so many fields.

I’ve been actively trying to cut back on make up usage. Started realizing a few years back that no one really cared (or noticed?) whether I spent an hour doing the whole concealer, base, foundation, contouring etc or just 30secs throwing on gloss and some mascara 😆 My husband is the most happy since getting ready is much faster, lol.

Yup, started slowly cutting down over thenlast few years down to nothing at all

Yeah I had a lot of men and other people in general pressuring me not to wear it. Not wearing makeup for men isn’t empowering either

You save money and time so yeah it is empowering not to wear it.

Not breaking your chains when it aligns with something certain men around you want is stupid. Guess we should stop telling women to give up the razor since some men like hairy women.

[–] eire 12 points

I do like how expensive grooming is now being sold to men and they are now big receivers of botox. Apparently, in the US, a large percentage of plastic surgeons are armed in the office due to unhinged male patients being unhappy with results and confronting them!

This is a sidestep, but: What is it about cosmetic surgery on men that inevitably results, if they have too much, in a more feminine look? Ivanka Trump's husband looks like Caitlyn Jenner just before the trans reveal. And much as I dislike the guy, he was quite handsome before. He had cute dimples. Zac Efron has started to look like a middle-aged woman after going through a weird uber-macho set of chins. What is it about the facial changes that begin to read as feminine?

I think it is due to shaving down the bones and cartilage. Also, getting your teeth too done can make men look very feminine.

The fillers and botox take out the "rugged" aspects of their face leaving them looking bizarrely smooth. The combination leaves them looking feminine.

Plastic surgery when done right for cosmetic reasons leaves the patients looking like they were on a nice relaxing holiday, not like a different person.

People from "old money" or certain backgrounds do not really bother with plastic surgery and if they do, it is incredibly hard to tell and never spoken about. This openness in this terrible practice is just reflective of the people doing it.

The state of plastic surgery is best reflected by how there are now "trends" in it.

[–] eire 10 points Edited

My first real exposure to make-up was kohl, a teen friend brought back to me when visiting family in India. We were early teenagers. I thought it was really cool. We had so much fun with it but more fun trying to keep our faces clean from staff.

My mum only occasionally wore lipstick and some perfume, plus boarding school rules were very strict about this. Plus, all my energy went into studies. So, I didn't grow up in a looks centred family.

Then in the 80s when so many men and women were wearing make-up--it was the era of the New Romantics, I started wearing it myself. Think "Don't you want me" by the Human League. Maybe we wore more make-up in Europe because it was cheaper than clothes. I don't know. It was fun. It was self-expression.

I wear bright colours meant for women half my age but do not care. No interest in "perfecting my skin" at this stage or any of that bollox. My face is my face, just with some extra ridiculous colour. I like my age but like my wardrobe feel no need to dress it.

Gosh the 80s were fun, weren't they? Fashionwise.

Yes. That was true gender neutral fashion times. Men in make-up, lace every where, everyone's hair coated in Elnett, it was a different time. Yet, no one claimed to be a different gender or sex. Just disaffected youth, which we rightfully were.

[–] Pointer 8 points Edited

I would guess that it gives women a feeling of control and/or safety (among other things)

[–] otterstrom 24 points Edited

Conformity = safety.

And it’s best if you don’t just comply, but “choose” to hold your own leash.

[–] sohh -3 points

Nobody ever wants to acknowledge it here, but there’s also an evolutionary basis for it.

A human life doesn’t have to center around successfully reproducing these days, as it does for every other species, but that instinct is still there (whether we actively indulge it or not). Being attractive is crucial to finding a mate. Historically, a man’s attractiveness was mostly based on how capable he was of providing for a family, and a women’s was mostly based on physical signs that indicate fertility.

I don’t think men are that picky tbh

Men fuck magotty coconuts and holes in trees but I’m supposed to believe I’m in a competition to look like a female hyperobject? No.

No, not when there are actual news stories about men "spreading their seed" in car exhaust pipes, old couches someone left on the curb, holes in walls, random livestock/domestic animals, and the occasional dead body.

I do believe that humans enjoy adorning themselves -- we've got plenty of history to demonstrate that -- but we don't need to do that to attract male. I'm sure there are many other cultural reasons for it.

About whom they fuck, no. Whom they partner with? Most of them have ludicrously high standards. (See the absurd Twitter lists of “red flags.”)

Having standards about whom you date isn't intrinsically bad; that's one thing I like about FDS, it encourages women to think candidly about what they want. But when you see some of these deeply mediocre men who want a woman who is a virgin but eager to give blowjobs, is educated but without students loans and keen to be a SAHM, looks like a model but will settle for a guy with a unibrow and chinpubes ... c'mon, seriously?

Whether any woman should wear makeup to impress these guys is one question (spoiler: no) but whether a certain cosmetic appearance is desired by men for any kind of serious relationship is another question entirely.

Junk science nonsense. Women are attracted to POWER and men are attracted to BODIES. Men can't help objectifying women it's just evolution 🥺 give me a break.

I like soppy unpowerful skinny men. Obviously I'm a gay man with boobs after all.

but that instinct is still there

I don't have that instinct at all. A lot of women don't.

[–] sohh -1 points

Maybe instinct isn’t the right word. Every single organism has the “instinct” (or whatever the right word is) to survive long enough to successfully reproduce. Humans are intellectually and emotionally complex enough that we don’t always submit to the instincts that drive non-human animals.

I only where it when forced (like by sister for her wedding). I’m autistic and it is sensory hell to feel it on my face all day. Perhaps this is the autism too but it seems like a bit of an excuse to say one wears it to get ahead at work. How can you even know that to make such a claim?

i feel that. i also, since I rarely wear it, know it's not applied very well when I try which causes a lot of distress too. I'm limited on clothes and shoes because of sensory issues too - I've purchased so many pretty tops that I never can wear because I get optimistic that a camisole underneath will be enough but even brushing my arms against my torso is enough to set off a reaction!

Interesting the only point that (sort of) answered my question was the results of studies from the 70’s and 90’s that show “attractive” people earn 10-15% more than “unattractive” people. Considering the average a woman spends on her appearance per year according to this study ($3756) and taking the higher range15% and applying it the average annual wage for a woman (~$47,632) you’d get a net effect of $3,388.80. Taking that and dividing that by just the average time spent on appearance (~1 hour/day) a woman earns an additional $9.28/ day from the boast. There doesn’t appear to be any figures for only make up but considering it probably takes up both a greater portion of both expense and time spent the monetary boast from just make up is likely lower and may possibly have a net deficit effect.

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