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The polls have closed in Italy. And it appears that Italy will elect it's first woman prime minister...

...and she's a facist.

A real proper facist. And what does this mean for women?

Meloni is comparable to Le Pen in other ways. Both are examples of what political scientists call “genderwashing,” when female politicians adopt a nonthreatening image to blunt the force of their extremism. Meloni’s signature look involves flowing outfits in pastel shades. To uninformed foreigners, her ascent could look like female empowerment; she poses as a defender of women, even as her party has rolled back women’s rights. In localities it governs, Brothers of Italy has made abortion services—the procedure has been legal in Italy since 1978—harder to access. Municipal authorities in Verona, where the party has shared power with Salvini’s League, declared the city “pro-life.”

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In particular, the natalist obsession of Il Duce’s 20-year rule, with its “Battle for Births,” has survived in the Brothers of Italy’s present-day concern about boosting the birth rate, its proposal to link social-welfare assistance to mothers and those engaged in child care, and its attempts to limit reproductive rights.

In her interview in Venice, Hillary Clinton also remarked on how right-wing parties can sometimes appear better at promoting women. Women like Meloni “are protected by patriarchy,” she said, “because they are often the first to support the fundamental pillars of male power and privilege.” Meloni’s party slogan—“God, Fatherland, Family”—celebrates those very pillars of power. And it came from Mussolini’s dictatorship.

From The Atlantic | The Return of Facism in Italy

There's a reason British left wing feminists are shouting from the rooftops that women need to be wary of aligning with the far right...

The far right is no friend to women.

They see us as support animals for manly men who are in charge & superior; and they see us as breeding units who either need to be prevented from breeding, or coerced into breeding (depending on our skin colour).

The polls have closed in Italy. And it appears that Italy will elect it's first woman prime minister... ...and she's a facist. A real proper facist. And what does this mean for women? > Meloni is comparable to Le Pen in other ways. Both are examples of what political scientists call “genderwashing,” when female politicians adopt a nonthreatening image to blunt the force of their extremism. Meloni’s signature look involves flowing outfits in pastel shades. To uninformed foreigners, her ascent could look like female empowerment; she poses as a defender of women, even as her party has rolled back women’s rights. In localities it governs, Brothers of Italy has made abortion services—the procedure has been legal in Italy since 1978—harder to access. Municipal authorities in Verona, where the party has shared power with Salvini’s League, declared the city “pro-life.” And > In particular, the natalist obsession of Il Duce’s 20-year rule, with its “Battle for Births,” has survived in the Brothers of Italy’s present-day concern about boosting the birth rate, its proposal to link social-welfare assistance to mothers and those engaged in child care, and its attempts to limit reproductive rights. > In her interview in Venice, Hillary Clinton also remarked on how right-wing parties can sometimes appear better at promoting women. Women like Meloni “are protected by patriarchy,” she said, “because they are often the first to support the fundamental pillars of male power and privilege.” Meloni’s party slogan—“God, Fatherland, Family”—celebrates those very pillars of power. And it came from Mussolini’s dictatorship. From [The Atlantic | The Return of Facism in Italy](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/giorgia-meloni-italy-election-fascism-mussolini/671515/) There's a reason British left wing feminists are shouting from the rooftops that women need to be wary of aligning with the far right... The far right is no friend to women. They see us as support animals for manly men who are in charge & superior; and they see us as breeding units who either need to be prevented from breeding, or coerced into breeding (depending on our skin colour).

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In her interview in Venice, Hillary Clinton also remarked on how right-wing parties can sometimes appear better at promoting women.

And yet, her party sucks at giving a damn about women too. She herself got piled on by "Obama bros" in 2008 and later the "Bernie Bros" in 2016. Meanwhile, for today's Democrats, pathetic, grotesque imitations like Dick Levine, and crazed handmaidens like Dr. Yeet the Teets, have taken precedent over the real, legitimate concerns of real, legitimate women. They had opportunities to codify Roe instead of leaving it up to the whims of unelected guys in robes. They dangled it like a carrot for fundraising purposes until the dog finally caught the car. The right wants forced birth, while ostensible liberals either can't or won't even correctly state what a woman even is, accuse other women of being "fascists" for saying what a woman is, and come up with utterly ludicrous pretzel logic to justify mutilating those forcibly-born children to placate the gender gods.

I guess women need to form our own women's-only party.

I guess women need to form our own women's-only party.

Which would implode beneath the weight of infighting within the first few months, if not days.

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It would if it was just generic for everything and nothing. Just like men have different ideas about the world and don't make "Man parties", so do women. If we're to have a women's party it needs a clear, unifying message and know what it's about and what it's not about.

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They had opportunities to codify Roe instead of leaving it up to the whims of unelected guys in robes.

People keep saying this like Dems can wave a wand and anything can happen. If the constitution could not protect abortion rights, then a statute never could have either. It's a state issue. Dems did everything they could to protect the constitutional right to abortion, and that was all they could do. They lost elections over it. We are way too quick to forget the battles fought on our behalf.

Totally agree that they have lost their way on the trans issue and are misogynistic in their own right by failing to promote women candidates. But to some extent that is the fault of voters, not the party itself... Dems never gave a shit about trans rights privileges until the party got hijacked by Bernie bros. Dems have done more to advance women candidates than Republicans ever did until very recently. The fact that women candidates don't win when Democrats put them on the ballot says more about voters than it does the party.

In her interview in Venice, Hillary Clinton also remarked on how right-wing parties can sometimes appear better at promoting women. Women like Meloni “are protected by patriarchy,” she said, “because they are often the first to support the fundamental pillars of male power and privilege.”

People don't like to admit Hillary Clinton can be right about anything, but she's hit the nail on the head here.

Hillary’s problem isn’t that she’s wrong, it’s that she’s a warmongering, neoliberal monster like the rest of the Democratic and Republican Party politicians.

Hilary is smart as a whip.

Yeah I mean I'm kind of scared by how intelligent she is. The fact that that orange baboon won over her just shows how stupid and misogynistic America really is

She's smart on policy, really really not smart on politics. In a better world she would have been in the cabinet of several successive administrations. Being a good retail politician requires a lot of things, but ironically keen intelligence is not one of them. (George W Bush, Reagan, even - vomit - DJT all had a certain visceral feel for how to get elected, despite being dull intellects.)

Sadly, I think she could have been an absolutely mastermind at politics and would still have been taken down by the misogyny machine. Will never forgive the male libs I know for “just not liking her.”

She's got a lot in common with Cassandra. She is prescient and said the things we need to hear, not the things we wanted to hear. And she was vilified for doing so.

Can some women explain to me what makes her facist? has she said that there should be no democracy and the state should control the industry or any other classical marks of facism? Also... I though she is a christian? I don't think I am getting the whole history.

She's against TRA bullshit, she wants to regulate immigration, values families and small businesses over multinationals, she's anti Putin, she wants to help single mothers. She's not the best but people calling her fascists are like people calling JK Rowling transphobic. Her party program is online for free, I'd suggest everyone reads that before blindingly believing everything the media says.

I assumed it was something like that. They compare her to France's Marine Le Pen and if true I consider that a good thing. While I'm not conservative I can respect modern conservative women like Le Pen who condemn racism and sexism and whose biggest "offense" is telling voters she wants to prioritize helping citizens over illegal immigrants.

Unfortunately it looks like Meloni goes further, as she is religious and opposes gay marriage and abortion. I hope someone like that doesn't last long as PM, but I don't think it's reasonable for people to expect Italy to suddenly return to the 1940s.

Meloni goes further, as she is religious and opposes gay marriage and abortion.

Yeah, this. Otherwise I can agree on no TRA bullshit, being against so much immigration (aka importing misogynists). I don't agree on the idea of flat tax; I'm by no means an expert but after reading a book on that and other material I cannot agree with it.

I'm not sure she is anti Putin and she was in Fiamma Tricolore which is a party filled with nostalgic fascists. Are you from Italy?

https://tg.la7.it/politica/fratelli-ditalia-sostiene-lucraina-parola-di-giorgia-meloni-23-09-2022-176023

Hi, sorry for the late reply - she's staunchly against Putin and she's willing to support Ukraine along with the rest of European nations (check the interview above) - the Tricolor Flame is the symbol of the Arditi before leftist propaganda linked it to the tomb of Mussolini; following this logic even the flame of the Carabinieri is fascist, while the three-pointed flame is explicitly inspired by the Arditi from WW1. I'm not saying she's the best, but she's not the Hitler 2.0 Americans want her to be.

The italian democratic party (PD) likes to fill their mouth with the words "equal opportunities" and "progress" but, in fact, only men rule it. Also, gas price is skyrocketing, families will have troubles paying for heating and elecricity and PD's women first worry during this election were trans and "non binary" people outed at the polling place... They deserve it

I don't know anything about her politics or what this will mean for Italy. I just hope this will serve as a wake-up call to left wing politics and get the left to understand that they need to pay attention to what the public wants and back off of extremist positions like insisting that men are women.

Probably won't happen though. I thought Hillary Clinton's loss would be a wake-up call but absolutely nothing changed.

Everyone should be scared of this push all over the West for women to have more babies. Who does it really serve?

Italy has welfare. Italian population is known for living a lot. People aren't having kids for obvious reasons. Who is gonna pay for retirement of the already existing old population? Will us youngsters ever retire? See our population pyramid

While I don't think women should be forced to have kids if they don't want to, it's clear that welfare states need young people and the solution isn't importing immigrants. There are solutions that could incentive people who already want kids but nobody does shit in Italy.

Who does it really serve?

Countries with huge welfare states need young workers to pay into the system when old folks can no longer work and need expensive medical care. And importing people isn't cutting it because a lot of immigrants nowadays just end up on welfare as well.

End up on welfare and are often unredeemable misogynists. Yeah, no thanks.

I think it may also have to do with the fact that some parts of society don’t want (a certain type of) immigrants.

Fewer immigrants = a need to increase the birth rate from native women.

Not related to the substance of this post, but I read a lot about the abuse of foreign women workers in Italy, so much so that they even have a name for it: Italy syndrome

Italy is also notorious for the huge number of women from Eastern Europe that are trafficked. They don’t all work in prostitution, but they are often sexually abused by employers. I remember I once saw an article about women who worked in agriculture and they were forced to have sex with their bosses at the farm.

Italy seems to be a very misogynistic society, alas.

In fairness, I feel I need to disclose that I’ve only been there as a tourist and I was catcalled by men of all ages. So I am a bit salty about it.

Will not visit again😬

There's a fertility crisis in the west that's only going to get worse. Sperm counts and testosterone levels in men have been dropping for decades now, and the viability of women's eggs have also been dropping.

Immigration won't fix anything because within a generation the children of immigrants are affected too.

I think this is real reason Roe v. Wade was overturned and why there's talk of banning contraceptives. No one in real life is anti-contraceptive. That's just weird.

Rich people. They need wage slaves and kids too poor to pay for college so opt into the military.

If she's protected by the patriarchy than she should take her ass back to the kitchen and let her husband rule the country. Oh, wait, she doesn't want that?

The sack of shit.

And it's another reminder to call bullshit on the way the Catholic Church is presenting itself as more humble and liberal. The Pope could, in theory, shut this shit with a phone call.

In particular, the natalist obsession of Il Duce’s 20-year rule, with its “Battle for Births,” has survived in the Brothers of Italy’s present-day concern about boosting the birth rate, its proposal to link social-welfare assistance to mothers and those engaged in child care

I would be cool with this if it wasn't attached to restrictions on reproductive rights for women. The best way to prevent abortions is to give women MORE options, not less. But these right wing idiots don't see that

The far right is no friend to women. They see us as support animals for manly men who are in charge

So does the left. At least the right is honest about it.

It's Italy, not the US. She explicitly said that she won't change anything about abortion laws, she wants to give more financial help to struggling mothers and that's it. I thought this site understood that the left relies a lot on fear mongering promoted by lying medias. Here's an idea to all Americans crying the return of fascism and whatnot: go check the actual party program, it's online for everyone to see for free.

Thanks for the clarification. I tried searching out the party platform. But all the links I found were either in Italian or English stories written by hysterical Americans lamenting that Meloni is Hitler in a skirt

All good points, but some issues strike at a more visceral level.

Read Prey by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. If the situation in Italy is anything like Sweden, people who care one iota about women will vote for the Right.

Was on the guardian recently and saw the gains made for brothers of Italy from 2018 to this election - increase of about 20 fold. Wish I could upload the screenshot I took because if gave me proper nazi vibes.

And, ofc it would be a woman. It’s amazing to me how many average women are of centre/left leaning politics but the only ones ghat make it into the hot seat around the world tend to be right-wing fundamentally batshit crazy ones. Liz truss, Theresa may, thatcher etc - Marie le penn got close. Fascism is being repackaged with “see, women can be just as bad as the men”

In a twisted way, it makes sense. On the left, a female politician is limited to being a simpering handmaiden. On the right, they can let their crazy flag fly

Even Merkel, though not fascist of course, is on the conservative side of the German political spectrum.

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