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I think incest is the next taboo the mainstream media will try to normalize. It will be age-peer incest before they go for minors. They're laying the groundwork for pedophiles, but incest has been pushed for a while now (letters to advice columnists about incestuous twins, shows like Game of Thrones, not to mention all of the porn out there), I bet we start seeing more and more of it.

[–] Lipsy 40 points Edited

Imagine actually not realizing that literally the entire business model of porn is built on casting literally everybody and everything as the exact opposite of what they are in real life.

Where by everything, I mean everything. From a porn clip that's literally just 15 seconds long, it's abundantly clear that porn starlets are cast on camera as...
• uninterested in foreplay
• relentlessly dick-focused
• only able to see body parts as separate individual things; nothing has a big picture of any kind
• LESS inhibited around strange physically aggressive pervy men than default personality
• probably actively turned on by strange physically aggressive pervy men groping them
• insistent that all sex must finish with PIV and then a load unceremoniously dumped on her face
• uninterested in conversation of any kind
• unaware that boys have faces (or just not interested in them)

Etc etc.

That whole list, maybe 15-20 seconds. Every single bullet point is the precise exact opposite of real life.

That's how the business model works, of course.
If they can thoroughly convince some hapless male coomer that even ONE of these things is true (and that he should expect it from real life Women), that's already a mortal threat to his ability to form a viable heterosexual rl.

If they get him with that whole list, he's fucked for life, and their business model wins because he's now addicted to an archetype of Woman who is the exact opposite of all Women everywhere except porn. He'll never ever find even one of those anywhere outside of porn.

The fact that mentally competent adults can look at porn and not conclude that real-life advice should ALWS advocate the direct inverse of everything Women are on-screen just blows my mind to tiny little smithereenettes.

I hadn’t thought of it that way. You really have a way with words!

[–] Lipsy 6 points Edited

Thanks.

I mean, the entire depth of insight I'm offering here is...uh... if I'm watching a character who directly violates actual reality in so many obvious and easily perceptible ways that she may as well be a space alien, I can get myself to the point of wagging the seizure finger at the screen and screaming, "Yo! J'accuse!, motherfucker! That is NOT how this shit works!" 😂

Hardly intellectual gold, but, it's the whole raw truth, which is what matters in my world.
Screaming at people on screens can be more enjoyable and cathartic than you may suspect, too 🥰

[–] danaseilhan 14 points Edited

GRRM wasn't "pushing" incest for A Song of Ice and Fire. He brought in known historical events and elements to make his story more realistic. (He actually wasn't going to include dragons until a friend of his suggested it.) Incest happened in royal families. The Egyptians were the most famous example, some of them literally marrying siblings or possibly even their children. (There are rumors about King Tut's wife, for instance -- she may have been wed to her father at some point, not just her brother.) No behavior ever went away because people stopped talking about it, and if you pay attention to ASOIAF/ Game of Thrones you quickly find that the families with incest going on did not actually benefit from it. Half the Targaryens were crazy, and the Lannister twins had to hide what they were doing because they knew the Faith of the Seven would condemn them and they'd both be condemned for treason.

Terrible birth defects show up quickly with incest. OMG. In a professional capacity I learned of some situations. OMG. A horror story.

Most of the porn is dad-daughter though, aimed at the “dad” demographic

There's a lot of sister porn too, usually disguised for the mass market as 'stepsister' (a lot of the dad-son or dad-daughter porn is also disguised as 'step'). I find this deeply disturbing, as older brothers molesting sisters is already frequently dismissed as 'kids playing,' even when the boy is much older than the girl. The parents are usually unwilling to do the right thing and remove the boy from the home, so the girl is stuck growing up with him--probably going through puberty with his eyes on her. It is a real mindfuck. Eventually, it comes out, usually years later, and usually the family circles around the boy and shuts the girl out because that way, they don't have to grapple with the ugly truth.

I am deeply, deeply bothered by any effort to make people empathize with perpetrators of incest. In the case of the daughter-dad 'relationship' reported in that Cosmo article, the daughter was clearly in a fucked-up vulnerable place and the dad took advantage of her.

[–] Lipsy 2 points Edited

I thankfully know exactly el zippo about those categories. But I am actually convinced that "hot stepmom" pw3rnos are stand-ins for... actual hot stepmoms, amazingly enough.

I mean like
if you Quick! close yr eyes and grab the first image that pops up for "crude typecast stepmom/dad's second Wife"
then said typecast will probably have a LOT of elements in common with the "MILF porn star" archetype, including physically.

If you Quick! close your eyes and redo for "crudest imaginable typecast of actual mom", you'll still almost certainly get something that's exactly zero% sexualized.
unless you're Chris Chan ew.

Theodore Dalrymple said just this on the Triggernometry podcast (starts at 1:09:00).

[–] Lipsy 2 points Edited

"Theodore Dalrymple"... LOL Please oh please tell me that one of the following is true:
/1/ That's a pen name.
/2/ Mr. Dalrymple is literally a teddy bear.
/3/ Both.

Goddamn it. Now I have to buy a teddy bear, name it Theodore Dalrymple, and make it give long speeches on, like, the state of society these days.

Just look what you've done to me.

It really is the 70s all over again, except then people knew what sex they were.

[–] Lipsy 38 points Edited

I can't do it. Can't bring myself to read those. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE WHAT THE FUCK

Back over here on planet earth, we have the "Westermarck effect" AKA non-attraction to anybody and everybody you grew up with from a sufficiently early age.

If these dipshits ventured their stupid 'opinion' (probably someone's very well paid trojan horse masquerading as an opinion) on exactly why normal people feel the same zero attraction for adopted siblings (genetic strangers) as they do for genetic siblings with a bunch of nucleotides in common, I would actually force myself to read it.
No vague handwaving towards 'evolutionary pressures against incest' or other nebulous non-explanations allowed this time, because, yo, adopted siblings.

I’ve seen GSA referenced before - it’s the concept that siblings who grew up apart are likely to be unusually attracted to each other.

I’m prepared to believe this might be a real thing (I’ve seen lots of married couples where the partner resembles the opposite sex parent) but let’s face it, the only reason there are articles about it is that it’s an edge case that can be used to undermine the incest taboo. Kind of like “what about a transwoman who passes perfectly tho.” I see Cosmo has already extended it to fathers and daughters.

Considering that parents find the smell of the sweat of their own teenaged kids especially repulsive (that is, apparently more repulsive than any unrelated adult would), I do think there are genetics-based barriers to incest.

The thing with siblings who grew up apart from each other is ... most of them are from pretty messed up families, seeing as, obviously, happy families don't just send one of their children away to grow up someplace else.

When you've been handed from foster family to foster family, never having had a sense of belonging, then meeting someone who is just like you in many ways may easily be mistaken for romantic love. So I am rather doubtful about that being based on genetics. And if it is based on messed-upness, well, that's a reason to not allow it.

I do not think siblings who didn't grow up together are an edge case. Genetic diseases don't care about what people feel. They happen, and sibling incest is pretty much guaranteed to make them happen.

Only thing that might be an edge case is homosexual siblings who didn't know each other, but how likely is that?

The thing with siblings who grew up apart from each other is ... most of them are from pretty messed up families, seeing as, obviously, happy families don't just send one of their children away to grow up someplace else.

This is a good point. Siblings who grew up apart likely have shitty backgrounds. So they're more likely to have fucked up relationship/sexual boundaries as well

I wonder if it could be a phenomenon affecting cousins, since for a long time first cousins marrying each other wouldn’t strike anyone as strange, and I don’t think people really care or keep track of second and beyond cousins. That’s an interesting case because the taboo against first cousin marriages hasn’t always been there

Relatives, period. This is a problem mostly not spoken about in adoption situations, actually. The adoptee goes back and finds genetic family and sometimes things happen. I remember one such case from Germany. It's a good argument for open adoptions with frequent contact because the kid still codes genetic relatives as "family" and they do likewise for the kid and then you don't run into this later. It's also a potential hazard for gamete-donor kids too, though, sperm-donor kids in particular as often there tend to be a fair few in the same geographical area.

Exactly - there needs to be far more awareness of this issue. It's very heartbreaking to read about and can lead to such self hatred in those who are reunited and experience it.

That’s really interesting- that sperm donor scenario is particularly horrible to contemplate, I hope it hasn’t happened often! I’m not a fan of “this is inconvenient/yukky so I don’t believe it” type thinking, that’s how we got e.g. widespread denial of AGP. But at the same time “GSA” sounds like the sort of thing the pedo lobby would invent so I can understand why people are sceptical.

[–] Lipsy 9 points Edited

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggghhhhhhhh. #nope. nope nope nope nope #NOPE

i apologize for the ongoing rarefied sophistication, bordering on abject snobbery, of my posts on this topic.

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And people wonder why “far right extremists” are being voted in, in Europe.

This is just another example of the assault on society, trying to break all ties of normal, healthy human relationships.

Serious shades of Weimar Germany.

They are not relabeling incest as GSA.

"It is thought that GSA can not only occur because the other person might look, act or talk like you; but also because, having missed out on growing up with their relative, they will have forgone the 'Westermarck Effect', which naturally creates a feeling of sexual repulsion towards family members in order to prevent incest and therefore inbreeding."

Yeah, your comment should be higher. It’s also not a sexy story, but one pretty clearly painting the father as a piece of shit rapist.

Sorry, what the fuck did I just read? And this was five years ago?

Clicking through links I read a Guardian article about this from 2003.

YH no I’ll never refer to incest as that . Incest is incest.

[–] viscerally 8 points Edited

I don’t think they’re necessarily trying to re-label anything, but writing about a concept that has very little reserarch. I first came across the term GSA when reading about Katie Pladl (who fell in love with, was married to and ultimately was killed by her own dad). Very disturbing but interesting psychologically. I don’t think it’s clearly comparable to incest when someone in the same family abuses someone else. Obviously these dads are gross and there’s no saying grooming wasn’t involved but I’ve read similar stories about siblings who grew up separate and later fell in love etc

edit because typos

WTF this is so dangerous.

One day s(tep)sibling porn is a joke, the next day we've got a fucking acronym for it to legitimize it.

Revolting. How low do they have to be to romanticize the most vile form of sexual abuse?

When are these fuckwits going to stop implying that every deviant sexual practice is akin to being LGB!? This shit isn't a sexual orientation. Its just gross!

Is it just me or is it totally day and night between the two articles? One of them is all "I did this but I needed out of it" and the other is "I am literally marrying my father! it's natural and awesome and we should have inbred kids because it's actually totally fine."

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