Once again the post election results stirs up hate for women from both sides.

The take-away from that is women are indeed real, and they do have the potential to change election results.

Well said! I would also add that women are real individuals and not a homogeneous group of people with groupthink! But who cares about that, let's just scapegoat them for anything.

[–] sarstan 41 points

There is a new term just for white women: AWFLs - Affluent White Female Liberals- apparently they know what a female is for the purpose of denigrating us.

[–] danaseilhan 10 points

Someone needs to tell these fools coining these foolish terms that college-educated white women preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump -- the only group of white people who did so, between white male college grads, white female college grads, and both male and female white high-school grads. I actually bucked the trend because I have a diploma but no degree and voted Clinton anyway.

[–] jadegreen 4 points

I was really excited to vote for Hillary Clinton - if she was a man or our country was not incredibly misogynistic she wouldn't have even half the amount of unfair criticism. I knew a few Democrats who were completely honest "I don't believe a woman can be president even though she's more qualified than Trump", it was so disheartening.

[–] carpetplaydohx2 18 points

What, what about low-income white females? Disabled white females? White females who are disadvantaged on multiple levels?

Or do they just not exist to these people?

[–] Iceni 27 points

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I don't think they do. I have read articles on left leaning sites right after Roe Vs Wade was shot down that making abortion illegal wouldn't affect white women. When I was a white single mother I was making about $10 more per week than all my outgoings. No way could I afford to go to another state to get an abortion, take time off work, get childcare, piddle around with all the hoops women are meant to go through prior to having an abortion. I certainly couldn't afford to have another child.

They act like every white woman is eating bon bons on a couch while her husband makes $250K a year and she has everything she could possibly need.

[–] stern-as-steel 6 points

This is so stupid. What about white women whose husband wouldn't be okay with an abortion? That woman wouldn't be able to up and leave the state overnight. They really think that abuse/control/misogyny only affect lower class women...someone should tell them that's classist against lower class men.

[–] goodyusername 9 points

The majority of single mothers receiving benefits are white.

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[–] littleowl12 2 points

TBH, I think the red states will experiment forcing their abortion bans on women of color to see what they can get away with. Then they'll target white women and turn a blind eye to women of color getting abortions. They want fewer black and brown people, and they want white women to breed more white babies. Great Replacement and all that.

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[–] Novemberinthechair 5 points

Naw, all white females are bad. White males like this because it takes the heat off them.

[–] sarstan 2 points

they are not awfl.

[–] stern-as-steel 3 points

And let me guess, this acronym gets turned into AWFULs. If it hasn't yet, it will soon.

[–] littleowl12 1 points

Which side is using that?

[–] sarstan 0 points

The left. AWFLs voted red.

[–] littleowl12 3 points

Well, these "AWFLs" still vote left at rates far higher than white men of ANY socio-economic class.

[–] VestalVirgin 44 points

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It's just ridiculous that both sides are now scapegoating us for their losses.

Idk, they both did a lot of things to lose female votes, so I guess it makes sense for them to assume that if they didn't throw the votes of women away, they might have won ... what doesn't make sense is that they don't seem to be learning from it.

Both sides are shit. So I really couldn't blame any woman for voting for either one. Wanting access to safe abortions is valid, but not wanting men in womens' spaces is also valid.

Not wanting to participate in this shitty game of choosing the lesser evil is very understandable, too.

[–] StayoffmyTERF 24 points

Wanting access to safe abortions is valid, but not wanting men in womens' spaces is also valid.

This was pretty’s much how I made the decision. I absolutely do not want mentally ill men in the bathroom, locker room, etc with me or other women. But because I currently have the risk of being raped by a TIM, I’d at least like to be able to abort the product

[–] Porange [OP] 10 points

Absolutely! Excellent points. We are just stuck and both choices these days are valid. It's so rough it's come to this.

[–] Aparallaxia 32 points

I saw a Tweet from a woman saying that she was going to vote for the party that would allow her to control her body even if they didn't know what a woman was, over the party that knows perfectly well women belong in the home having babies and taking care of their husbands. That made me see it in a new light.

[–] Porange [OP] 23 points

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That's a bit of a disingenuous oversimplification. Now I don't want to argue about which party is better but I would say that the choice is between a party that won't admit what a woman is, supports grooming young kids and lying to them about reality, taking away women's safe spaces while allowing them some reproductive control, and a party that prefers women to make babies at all costs, health, financial and career, but somehow also wants to protect women's sports, spaces and children not being groomed. Also oddly supports some scientific facts.

It's a TOUGH choice! And definitely depends on woman's life priorities. Of course an unmarried woman would value her reproductive freedom while a woman with children will be more swayed on the grooming and schools alienating parents. I don't think either of those reasons should be demonized.

[–] Aparallaxia 21 points

But the Republican Party's values are fixed. There is no changing them. What's more, they will wreak havoc on the economy, Medicare, SS, foreign policy, etc., most of which will be bad for all women, if given half a chance. In contrast, it may be possible oo change the Dems' views on trans kids and TWAW, by getting them to recognize actual harms being done—in schools, prisons, sports, etc.

[–] Peppermint 9 points

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How can we change views if we can't even talk about it now? Everybody has been silenced. And when I mean everybody i mean everybody. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

[–] VestalVirgin 10 points

So, do you think one should vote Dem and hope they change ... or vote Rep so that the Dems notice they need to listen to women more?

Cause I think Dems need a major shock to wake up. Winning elections despite their misogynistic politics might not help.

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[–] Novemberinthechair 1 points

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I've been a dem my whole life. Currently, the dems are screwing up the economy. Own a car? Have to use it to get to work? Biden shit down are pipe lines then pretends he's not responsible. Grocery inflation? Dems don't seem to care. Defining female? By God, they'll fight you to the end. You can't protect abortion rights if you can legally define female.

[–] Fluffy_gender 14 points

However, we need to take into account climate change

[–] femlez34 11 points

Same, this is where the repubs lost me. Even if things were a wash between the two parties on women's issues (which I don't personally think they are quite yet, but it is certainly distressing), issues like climate change, voting rights, and income inequality are just as important to me. I am volunteering less though, I used to be a hyper involved dem, using vacation days to knock on doors in swing states and phone banking every weekend. It's just too hard to motivate myself to do that when I don't really like any of the dem candidates. It's not just the trans stuff, so many of them say so many ridiculous things now like "defund the police" or "legalize illegal border crossings" or "let's cancel math classes and magnet schools because we want to pretend inequality doesn't exist anymore rather than fixing it". I just want some god damned common sense, not woke, anti-science garbage. Like if there was just someone who was honest, didn't pander to any demographics, and a good communicator, they'd win in a landslide. Who are all these garbage candidates and why can't they use their billions of dollars of donations on some good PR and speech writers? It just blows my mind.

[–] puffyfluffyleaves 9 points

I know. I'm a feminist first, but I'm also quiet strongly opiniated about the environment. Maybe it's because of me growing up in a place that had a lot of nature and land, but the, um, recent changes have been a bit concerning, to say these least. I know not everyone believes in these changes, but to me, it's quiet a shocking change.

[–] danaseilhan 0 points

I refuse to accept the climate change argument anymore. Yes, I do agree we're experiencing climate change and yes, people are causing it. (We're supposed to be coming out of an interglacial and getting colder, and we've taken things in entirely the other direction.) But I do not agree that we'll solve this with votes. Eight billion people are making choices every day that will cook the planet. The only way the government's going to solve it is by killing off like three-fourths of us overnight. We all like to think we'd survive something like that but face it... no. So our other option is to quit making choices that cook the planet. If we really want to solve this WE have to solve it, not dump it on people we elected to be our leaders, because most of them aren't fit to shine shoes, much less run a country and almost none of them understand the science anyway.

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[–] Juniperius 4 points

I'm not sure it's reasonable to say the right is against grooming children. If they were, Matt Gaetz wouldn't have been reelected. And Father-daughter purity balls would never have been a thing. They don't seem to care very much if young girls are groomed to marry and serve older men.

[–] littleowl12 2 points

Gaetz is a huge thing for me, actually. During the primaries in Florida, they could have literally had any Republican they wanted. It's not like Florida is short on them. But Gaetz was their guy.

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[–] Amareldys 9 points

The Republicans want you to be free to choose not to have kids out of wedlock, but if you do get pregnant it is motherhood and the home for you!

The Democrats want you to be unable to avoid situations likely to result in pregnancy out of wedlock, but if you do get pregnant you can abort it.

[–] FuckingReallllly 17 points

And the Dems make you more open to being raped by not locking up dangerous men with assault records and/or allowing male rapists into female prisons.

As Dennis said on “Always Sunny in Philadelphia”

“If it’s not the Republicans blasting me in the ass, it’s the Democrats blasting me in the ass. It’s just an all around ass blast!”

[–] sohh 4 points

That's a bit of a disingenuous oversimplification.

For real. And as I always point out, pretending not to know what a woman is has far-reaching implications beyond just being annoying. It impacts data collection that determines policies and impacts research. It also allows the transhumanist agenda pushed by Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big AGP to grow unbounded.

I vehemently disagree with people who think Republicans are less likely to change than Democrats. It’s really hard to guess which party would be more likely to pander to a hypothetical pro-women lobby. In fact, I think there’s an argument that Democrats are the ones less likely to change course since they have a solid body of young progressive voters. Republicans, on the other hand, are about to see a huge body of voter die off over the next two decades from old age.

[–] penelopekitty 34 points

This is the first election in a very long time that I didn't vote. I just couldn't. I'm another bad white woman ruining things for everybody.

[–] GenZ-ProWoman 28 points

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I’m not a white woman but I’m still feeling the heat lmfao. I hate seeing this bullshit from the left that it’s all voters’ fault for not coming out and voting blue— specifically those lazy, selfish Gen Zers.

How about blame the Dems? I was offered exactly zero quality leadership. How is it MY fault that their policies and leadership are ineffective and misogynistic? How is it the voter’s job to come out for the party and politicians? Parties and the politicians they house work for ME, not the other way around. It’s on them to be public servants, since that’s what they’ve chosen. It is on them to run a campaign that prompts a vote. It’s not young women (or anyone) to prop up a dying ideology. The entitlement is almost funny.

[–] aaardvark 11 points

You all know there's more on the ballot than just candidates, right? There are measures and propositions and stuff. California's Proposition 1 on the ballot this Tuesday was to guarantee the right to abortion and contraception, for example.

[–] blinchiki 2 points

Yes, and those other choices where the decision has been made and they waste my time trying to see approval rating.

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[–] danaseilhan 4 points

I skipped it too. If someone wants to put together a pro-choice national women's party, I'll throw in with that, but not until then OR one of the two big parties cleans up their fucking mess. I'm not doing it for them. I'm done being bangmaid.

[–] proudcatlady 6 points

I didn’t either. No good options. What’s the point

[–] blinchiki 4 points

I also did not vote, it actually started when trump won and all the blaming started. I don’t see much of who I want to vote for.

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[–] Novemberinthechair 7 points

They've been doing this for years. Suburban white women are the scapegoats whenever someone's party doesn't win. What are the dems complaining about anyway. There wasn't a red flood anyway.

[–] SufficientHistorian6 4 points

Not just suburban white women. I'd even say suburban or non-suburban POC women get trampled on even more.

[–] femlez34 7 points

No one holds men accountable for making bad choices in the voting booth because people expect men to be destructive and selfish, "boys will be boys". They expect women to be the adults in the room, the nurturing mommies who will magically fix everything for everyone else.

[–] Carrots90 16 points

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It’s easy to criticize us for voting against our interests

The catch is…drumroll

Since each side is a turd sandwich, our only other option was to not vote at all

So they can stuff it

I just voted so they know women count.

I didn’t otherwise feel I was helping women in the least bit

[–] bibliophile 2 points

I'm sick of seeing posts asking why white women voted majority Republican. Well, it's a reasonable question, but when all the answers are stuff like "internalized racism" "they like being oppressed" "white women are equally responsible for the overturning of Roe! so many white women are anti-abortion!" it's so frustrating. We're a huge demographic! What about young white women? Non-religious white women? Single white women? And why does it feel like some people excuse some R voters because they're "uninformed," but if it's white women, they have to have some nasty ulterior motive to do so?

maybe it's just because I live in a blue area and don't know any white women who voted R, it's annoying to me.

[–] cloudspinner 8 points

gasp So women are being blamed for not behaving the way people think they should?

Groundbreaking.

[–] Novemberinthechair 3 points

Women always voted wrong. Do men?

Rant Once again the post election results stirs up hate for women from both sides.

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