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Asian-American author Cathy Park Hong talks in great length about African-American comedian Richard Pryor in the second chapter of her book Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning. She praises him a lot and makes him the center of her disjointed essay (that's not an insult; that's how the chapters are structured). She talks a lot about racism in the United States- some good points, but mostly vague and lost points that don't go anywhere. So far, none of the good points I can recall are hers but are borrowed from other, better authors.

For whatever reason, she includes a misogynistic joke of Pryor's and paints it as profound, self-reflective, and clever. Bolded parts mine:

Carpio argues that Pryor was the first comedian to expose private black humor to a white audience. Many African Americans echo her observation, remarking on the "shock of recognition" when they first heard Pryor. They probably felt that shock of recognition because he's nobody's spokesman. Onstage, Pryor is fearful, belligerent, hysterical, and boasts about his self-destruction. Not only that, Pryor pries open the deep historical taboos of miscegenation by flaunting his desire for white women. In his comparisons between white female lovers and black female lovers, for instance, Pryor toes the line between enabling and destabilizing stereotypes:

'There really is a difference between white women and black women. I've dated both... Black women, you be suckin' on their pussy and they be like, 'Wait, n----, shit. A little more to the left, motherfucker. You gonna suck the motherfucker, get down." You can fuck white women and if they don't come they say, "It's all right, I'll just lay here and use a vibrator."

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Where do I, as a Korean American woman, situate myself when Pryor sets up these black/white binaries? One minute I'm laughing at white people, and feeling the rage of black oppression as if it's my own, until the next bit, when I realize I'm allied with white people. I become more uncomfortable when Pryor goes deep into the sexual differences between white women and black women. Did I laugh because I am neither black nor white, thereby escaping the sting of being caricatured and objectified? Should I be offended on behalf of white women or black women?

Pryor's monologue perpetuates the sexist stereotypes that black women are aggressive and manly as opposed to white women, who are passive and ultra-feminine. Meanwhile, Pryor sets himself up as the prized virile black male. And yet, this trope also belies a dynamic that's a bit more complicated, in that Pryor reserves a secret admiration for black women because they don't put up with his bullshit, while tacitly acknowledging that the passivity of white women is not due to hyper-femininity but, as Hilton Als writes, white guilt. In the end, Pryor makes himself the object of derision, admitting that he has a hard time satisfying any woman, black or white. Just at the point where I abruptly stop laughing and think, This is-- Pryor unzips the muscle suit of black male machismo to expose his own shame.

This is it.

Cathy Park Hong was so deadset on praising this man that it wasn't enough to ignore this joke. No, she had to rewrite this joke of a black man generalizing and insulting black women for being confident in favor of generalizing and praising white women for being docile into a joke about a black man making fun of himself. Richard Pryor is NOT making fun of himself. He is making a mockery of both black and white women and he is on neither one's side because they are both women. "Secret admiration"... give me a fucking break.

Cathy Park Hong is so anti-white and pro-woke that she HAD to make sense of this misogynistic joke in order to relate to a non-white individual by writing the misogyny out of it entirely. Why? Because she thinks this misogynistic joke is supposed to make her favor white women? She literally misses the whole point of the joke because she's too caught up with refusing to entertain the idea that she might have an easier time finding solidarity with white WOMEN than with a black MAN.

I see this so much in woke spaces and discussions. White women are stomped on in the name of racial solidarity (WHICH NON-WHITE MEN DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT), all the while Father Patriarchy sits on his comfortable throne and laughs at women falling for the same traps over and fucking over again.

Asian-American author Cathy Park Hong talks in great length about African-American comedian Richard Pryor in the second chapter of her book Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning. She praises him a lot and makes him the center of her disjointed essay (that's not an insult; that's how the chapters are structured). She talks a lot about racism in the United States- some good points, but mostly vague and lost points that don't go anywhere. So far, none of the good points I can recall are hers but are borrowed from other, better authors. For whatever reason, she includes a misogynistic joke of Pryor's and paints it as profound, self-reflective, and clever. Bolded parts mine: > Carpio argues that Pryor was the first comedian to expose private black humor to a white audience. Many African Americans echo her observation, remarking on the "shock of recognition" when they first heard Pryor. They probably felt that shock of recognition because he's nobody's spokesman. Onstage, Pryor is fearful, belligerent, hysterical, and boasts about his self-destruction. **Not only that, Pryor pries open the deep historical taboos of miscegenation by flaunting his desire for white women. In his comparisons between white female lovers and black female lovers, for instance, Pryor toes the line between enabling and destabilizing stereotypes:** > **'There really is a difference between white women and black women. I've dated both... Black women, you be suckin' on their pussy and they be like, 'Wait, n----, shit. A little more to the left, motherfucker. You gonna suck the motherfucker, get down." You can fuck white women and if they don't come they say, "It's all right, I'll just lay here and use a vibrator."** > [page break] > Where do I, as a Korean American woman, situate myself when Pryor sets up these black/white binaries? **One minute I'm laughing at white people, and feeling the rage of black oppression as if it's my own, until the next bit, when I realize I'm allied with white people. I become more uncomfortable when Pryor goes deep into the sexual differences between white women and black women.** Did I laugh because I am neither black nor white, thereby escaping the sting of being caricatured and objectified? **Should I be offended on behalf of white women or black women?** > Pryor's monologue perpetuates the sexist stereotypes that black women are aggressive and manly as opposed to white women, who are passive and ultra-feminine. Meanwhile, Pryor sets himself up as the prized virile black male. **And yet, this trope also belies a dynamic that's a bit more complicated, in that Pryor reserves a secret admiration for black women because they don't put up with his bullshit, while tacitly acknowledging that the passivity of white women is not due to hyper-femininity but, as Hilton Als writes, white guilt. In the end, Pryor makes himself the object of derision, admitting that he has a hard time satisfying any woman, black or white.** Just at the point where I abruptly stop laughing and think, This is-- Pryor unzips the muscle suit of black male machismo to expose his own shame. This is it. Cathy Park Hong was so deadset on praising this man that it wasn't enough to ignore this joke. No, she had to rewrite this joke of a black man generalizing and insulting black women for being confident in favor of generalizing and praising white women for being docile into a joke about a black man making fun of himself. **Richard Pryor is NOT making fun of himself. He is making a mockery of both black and white women and he is on neither one's side because they are both women.** "Secret admiration"... give me a fucking break. Cathy Park Hong is so anti-white and pro-woke that she HAD to make sense of this misogynistic joke in order to relate to a non-white individual by writing the misogyny out of it entirely. Why? Because she thinks this misogynistic joke is supposed to make her favor white women? She literally misses the whole point of the joke because she's too caught up with refusing to entertain the idea that she might have an easier time finding solidarity with white WOMEN than with a black MAN. I see this so much in woke spaces and discussions. White women are stomped on in the name of racial solidarity (WHICH NON-WHITE MEN DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT), all the while Father Patriarchy sits on his comfortable throne and laughs at women falling for the same traps over and fucking over again.

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Its like her brain short-circuited the moment the time came to criticize a Black man for anything. She was upset that Black women were objectified. But she was not prepared to admit that this Black man also objectified White women. So she just spouted word vomit to justify his misogyny.

This is what happens when you care more about belonging to the correct political team than you do about thinking for yourself

White women: screechy ‘Karens’ or delicate flowers. Pick one.

Actually, don’t. Maybe just take all the racial stereotypes and shove them. I’m so fucking tired of it. Or just keep picking and picking and picking your scabs like a masochist and wallow in it forever.

She thinks women don't speak up during sex because of white guilt? This is retarded.

Exactly my thought as well. If it were white guilt, then one would assume that means white women are not saying shit like, "it's okay I'll just use a vibrator" to white men. All you have to do is look at literally any relationship advice forum to know that that's not even remotely true.

The sad part is there’s room for actual reflection here — she could notice how the dichotomy the black man who fetishizes white women is making is quite similar to how white men fetishize Asian women. There is NO way she didn’t pick up on the parallels. There’s a feminist and anti racist deconstruction of this man’s joke to be made. But that might involve her criticizing both black and white men and she wants to remain comfortable in praising men (of any race).

That's a great point.

The sad part is there’s room for actual reflection here

I find myself thinking this often while reading this book.

there is zero real consequence for misogyny.

People talk about ’woke culture’ and ‘canceling’ and always blame the feminists

The ‘edgy’ comedians only go after women. It’s actually acceptable, though they try to pretend it’s not. They are considered ’based’ and not pandering to woke

Nothing happens to them. In fact, the complaints help the street cred, to show how ‘they don’t back down.

Bill Burr is the perfect example of such ‘bravery’

Woke people are as comfortable with misogyny as much as everyone else is.

Making it politically correct to rag on white women is only the beginning of being "wokely" anti-female. They will get to work thinking about a black version of "Karen," will start labeling a new ethnicity of women as rigid in bed, etc. It's going to come full circle. Women are the targets here.

Leftists are horribly misogynistic and racist towards Black women who commit wrongthink.

The misogynists will back the black men who relentlessly rag-on black women, which is frustrating since black women are the biggest advocates for black causes, especially those for black men

Everyone held up Jacob Blake as a hero for getting shot by police but forget that the police were called by his frightered ex girlfriend. He had a restraining order due to having sexually assaulted her before, he had come by and was taking her car and their kids.

Let's just forget this analysis and all laugh at Richard Pryor for failing to find the clit.

tacitly acknowledging that the passivity of white women is not due to hyper-femininity but, as Hilton Als writes, white guilt.

This is not true right? riight?

Lmao the joke is intended to insult black women by comparing us unfavorably to white women. How is that not obvious to you? Obviously it's misogynistic to both but this asian woman is clearly Male identified and it has nothing to do with being "anti-white", give me a fucking break. If it was about being desperate to relate to another POC, why does she distort the blatant disrespect of black women?

She's clearly aware the joke is misogynistic and anti black woman but would rather project her own meaning onto it, because she's a libfem.

"white women are stomped on", jesus christ.

The butt of the joke is black women, but "I love that you're docile and submissive" is not exactly a kind thing to say to an entire ethnicity of women. It's something men say about Asian women, and we criticize it there, so why would we not criticize the same comment directed towards white women? Black women are the "losers" in this joke, but white women are not the "winners".

If it was about being desperate to relate to another POC, why does she distort the blatant disrespect of black women?

She distorts the disrespect of black women so she can twist his words to mean that he wasn't insulting black women in the end, because she can't handle her hero being a misogynist. She's trying to say that this joke is progressive because this comedian is progressive, so a progressive-thinking man could not possibly be misogynistic towards women of his own ethnicity.

Still not seeing how this warrants raging over anti-whiteness. There is no indication whatsoever that she's siding with him because she hates white people lmao. She's just a libfem pickme.

I never said white women are the winners, I just find it funny that that part is what stood out to you as the most enraging when it's clearly the milder half of this awful joke. This woman just loves men over women. She's probably the kind that loves white men but complains about white women. Highly doubt it's a hatred of whiteness so much as it is a total disregard for other females, a desire to be the "cool girl".

Most of these BM comedians build their careers off of humiliating and masculinizing black women in the public eye tbh.

You're hung up on me saying "anti-white" in my post.

This isn't a post about racism against white people. This isn't a post about the joke itself.

This is a post about the way woke people take away the misogyny that white women face, declaring that they cannot face it because their whiteness makes them untouchable on every level including their sex.

White women are not untouchable. They are women who experience misogyny as any other women do.

That's my point.

I felt it played into the "white women are cold and not into sex" thing