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He focused mainly on making fun of David Beckham (fair), and pointing out the mistreatment of the workers who built the stadiums, although I feel he could of highlighted more atrocities. Only one interview of an otherwise healthy (and alive) worker which people will feel sorry for getting screwed, but not really appreciate the brutality.

I want to add: I hate the term “modern day slavery”. Stop qualifying it. It is slavery, using “modern day” makes it sound less than what it was. Many of the workers may not have been captured and brought to Qatar, instead being lured, but the end result is the same. Even being financially trapped still wouldn’t have made workers work in 52C/125F weather. There had to be physical consequences. He did mention that the official estimated deaths recorded were likely way lower than reality, but didn’t delve further.

Then came mention of women. Hurray! He said that women had limited rights and needed men’s permission to; marry, travel, work in certain government jobs, and must provide proof of marriage before they get prenatal care. No mention of what happens to women who break the rules.

But we got a mention! 22 seconds in the entire 24 minute segment.

LGBTQ got a lot longer. About 2 minutes, with greater detail of what happens to them and an interview with an asylum seeker. At least he focused on actually gay people.

I don’t resent on the focus on LGB rights in Qatar. I think it’s what organizations like Stonewall should have been focusing on all along since gay marriage was legalized pretty much everywhere in the West. Go fight for people truly oppressed and in danger. If wearing armbands is a minor show of support, well, it’s very little to be honest, but it’s something.

John Oliver then points out how FIFA actually likes working with despotic rulers and has never cared about human rights.

He kept including women’s rights when repeating the 3 biggest sins of Qatar, the mistreatment of workers, women and LGBTQ people, so there’s that.

He finishes with saying that, much to his shame, he’ll still be watching it because he loves it so.

Seriously? Way to give yourself a pass.

I’ll admit I’m interested in watching a few games. But unless it’s on someone’s phone or something I happen to be passing by, I won’t. I will make a point not to purchase anything from any advertisers sponsoring the World Cup.

John Oliver Segment

He focused mainly on making fun of David Beckham (fair), and pointing out the mistreatment of the workers who built the stadiums, although I feel he could of highlighted more atrocities. Only one interview of an otherwise healthy (and alive) worker which people will feel sorry for getting screwed, but not really appreciate the brutality. I want to add: I hate the term “modern day slavery”. Stop qualifying it. It is slavery, using “modern day” makes it sound less than what it was. Many of the workers may not have been captured and brought to Qatar, instead being lured, but the end result is the same. Even being financially trapped still wouldn’t have made workers work in 52C/125F weather. There had to be physical consequences. He did mention that the official estimated deaths recorded were likely way lower than reality, but didn’t delve further. Then came mention of women. Hurray! He said that women had limited rights and needed men’s permission to; marry, travel, work in certain government jobs, and must provide proof of marriage before they get prenatal care. No mention of what happens to women who break the rules. But we got a mention! 22 seconds in the entire 24 minute segment. LGBTQ got a lot longer. About 2 minutes, with greater detail of what happens to them and an interview with an asylum seeker. At least he focused on actually gay people. I don’t resent on the focus on LGB rights in Qatar. I think it’s what organizations like Stonewall should have been focusing on all along since gay marriage was legalized pretty much everywhere in the West. Go fight for people truly oppressed and in danger. If wearing armbands is a minor show of support, well, it’s very little to be honest, but it’s something. John Oliver then points out how FIFA actually likes working with despotic rulers and has never cared about human rights. He kept including women’s rights when repeating the 3 biggest sins of Qatar, the mistreatment of workers, women and LGBTQ people, so there’s that. He finishes with saying that, much to his shame, he’ll still be watching it because he loves it so. Seriously? Way to give yourself a pass. I’ll admit I’m interested in watching a few games. But unless it’s on someone’s phone or something I happen to be passing by, I won’t. I will make a point not to purchase anything from any advertisers sponsoring the World Cup. [John Oliver Segment](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqLDhl8PXw)

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[–] VestalVirgin 22 points Edited

Well, at least he didn't talk about the beer ban instead of womens' rights.

(That annoys me - there's so much shit written about "Oh noes, fans won't be able to drink beer", which ... you know, that's the one legitimate demand Qatar made. Alcohol is a drug. Other countries pick and choose which drugs to ban, too. But no, the beer ban is worse than trampling women's rights into the dust, apparently.)

I guess we can't expect any better from a woke comedian. Not like the woke crowd care much about womens' safety and dignity in the West, after all ...

He could have also mentioned how many of the women lured to Qatar for "jobs" are forced into sexual slavery. But that would defy the holy woke sacrament of "sex work is work"

Apart from the human rights issues affecting Qatari female citizens, other human rights abuses against females in Qatar include: the sex (rape) trafficking of females, the mistreatment (including sexual assault) of female migrant workers, and the incident where female passengers were forcibly strip searched and subjected to invasive genital examinations at Qatar airport.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/nov/17/female-migrant-workers-speak-out-about-harassment-in-qatar-world-cup-hotels

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2020/10/qatar-domestic-worker-abuse-and-exploitation-report/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10201005/Australian-women-forced-strip-undergo-traumatising-vaginal-exams-Qatar-airport.html

I made a coment on another post that I get the impression the the main outrage about the tournament being held in Qatar is about the lack of rights for gay people. Maybe 'shoehorn' is the wrong term to use, but it feels like human rights abuses against women and migrant workers have just been referenced apathetically, as hashtags. As you say, the mention of women and the migrant worker did not reference the brutality that many of them are subjected to.

Similarly, the winter olympics in Russia was controversial due to lack of gay rights, when again there are widespread human rights abuses.

I just get the feeling that, if gay rights weren't an issue, there would be much less condemnation of Qatar hosting the World cup.

I’m pretty sure domestic violence is fully decriminalized in Russia but who fucking cares, right? Men’s sport is cancer just like everything else they touch

Omg i just watched this on youtube!!

That metaphore the man made about having abused children in the basement during a dinner party, only for Dear Jon to at the end say, I love this dinner party.

For me, I feel like maybe the world cup is just a front for world wide slavery and we should abolish it?

Whenever there is a major sports event anywhere in the world there is definitely a major influx of sex (rape) trafficking victims (overwhelmingly female) into the host city/region.

Plus the infrastructure that is built by male migrant workers, or other slave labour.

after learning about how migrant workers are treated in my country, I can't look at any building without disgust and contempt.

the government, private local employers, local land owners, they all make migrant workers build every single bit of infrastructure we need. every building, every house, every paved street. and they are barely paid anything.

we have laws explicitly protecting local workers' rights (like minimum wage) but NONE protecting foreign workers. so you can imagine the level of xenophobia and discrimination against ethnic minorities here, especially against other south asians.

I feel the same contempt for the world cup this year. all of the buildings and infrastructure I just mentioned were built on the backs of discriminated minority workers, and it's disgusting. it should disgust everyone.

Not sure how to put this point, but when human rights abuses are discussed on high rated light entertainment TV shows, they may use the word brutality, but they don't want to get too 'heavy' and serious by mentioning details of what that brutality entails. With gay rights they might say that it's illegal in a certain country, sometimes punishable by gay men being 'put to death'. I'm not sure where to find statistics about how many gay men have actually been put to death by governments where homosexuality is illegal.

With women's rights, some of the most heinous human rights abuses involves sexual assault, rape, rape victims being treated as criminals (unless there are witnesesses, the female is disbelieved, and punished for adultery), forced prostitution of sex (rape) trafficking victims. But mentioning these types of crimes in a 'tv show lecture' is a bit too heavy to be mentioned - maybe because people like to pretend that these crimes are very rare, maybe because misogyny is so endemic that they choose to believe that prostitution is mostly a free choice made by women, and the world is full of empowered sex workers 'making bank'.

Mention of the plight of male migrant workers is also uncomfortable for a light entertainment show because slavery is an uncomfortable subject. A lot of American liberals only seem to want to mention America as 'the bad guy' and ignore the fact that human rights abuses have occured worldwide for as long as history has been recorded, and not just a colonial export.

Of course lack of legal rights for gay people, and criminalisation of homosexuality is abhorrent. But I think the reason why it is a cause celebre is because it is actually less contoversial and less uncomfortable to talk about than about the abuse of women or the abuse of migrant workers.

If you support gay rights that is easy because it doesn't affect you if a man chooses to have a male partner. It doesn't really impact any aspect of your own life. Exploitation of women is more controversial because a lot of men are complicit in this through use of prostituted women, in Western countries and abroad (so called 'sex' (rape) tourism), coercion of women, warped idea of consent, etc. Exploitation of migrant workers is more controversial because many people in Western societies benefit from this exploitation. Everything from the food on our tables, our clothes, electronic goods, to holidays in countries where the infrastructure is built by migrant labour, and the crew on luxury cruise ships.

Campaigning about legalising gay sex and the right for gay people to get married is something that gives people the feel good factor that they are decent people, without actually having to give up anything they enjoy themselves.

Or Stonewall could even be fighting actual LGB issues in the states. Not all states even give domestic violence protections to LGB. Arkansas doctors can deny LGB patients. There’s still shit here too, they just don’t care.

I don't know who John Oliver is, but I'm glad to hear someone is talking about women's rights in Qatar. The left-wing media that is my regular news source in the UK do not specifically mention women at all. Only LGBT and migrant workers.

John Oliver is a comedian from the UK. He hosts an American HBO show called Last Week Tonight in the political satire style of Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart. He did an episode in 2015 about trans rights that leaned heavily on gaslighting women about the risks of men in their spaces. He's only gotten worse since then. I used to like him, before I peaked, but he is now an insufferable parody of himself. His show is nothing but terrible run on "jokes" and woke lecturing. That's not to say he doesn't cover important issues, but I can't respect him anymore.

His show is nothing but terrible run on "jokes" and woke lecturing

this is the key thing to me too. I used to find him funny, entertaining and informative, and now I only sort of half-watch when there's not something else since it is still some level of information and occasionally something amusing - but it is a lecture. It is him telling you what you're supposed to be agreeing with him about this week, and making fun of anyone who doesn't.

It's comedy so they can't get into complications and nuances, so in the information sense it's no better than cable news... and of course, it originally wasn't meant to be! These comedy news bits started as parodies and light entertainment, not actual sources of news, but now they serve as primary sources for lots of people (I'm guilty, I don't watch live TV, so talk shows or parody shows are as close to news as I usually get in video format except when people post clips online). The whole idea of any kind of neutrality is just entirely gone. When you agree with him, it's kinda annoying & patronizing because the material speaks for itself, and when you disagree he's talking nonsense & calling you an ass*ole. More and more the jokes seem to just be him making fun of the poor jerks who don't get that he has it all figured out.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I know that when I used to watch Jon Stewart way back when, it was a crazy anomaly that they actually talked about real issues - he took over the Daily Show from the previous host who had been more silly and "pretend news show"-ish, and no one expected these shows to have real cultural impact. They were just for fun. But now these guys have become the guardians of our political agenda. When late night comedians comment on an issue, it's like a major press editor writing an opinion piece...

Interesting! I'd never heard of him and when I tried to click on the video link I got a message that it wasn't available to me in my country. He sounds like a doof.