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[–] Kevina 9 points (+9|-0)

I have absolutely no idea what has happened to the women in the Democratic party. I left them years ago but was hoping things might get better. Instead they're getting worse. We need some sort of centrist party in the US. Women have no political home here.

[–] remquarqk 23 points (+23|-0)

Gotta be honest, I started being more critical of her after the whole native american dna thing.

Politicians will say anything. They lie, lie, and then lie some more. I thought all of America understood this a hundred years ago?

How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving. In this case HER lips are moving. I suspect she uses the "my pronouns are" crap (?)

Warren is on the Trans Train. She is anti-woman. Another big disappointment for women. Seems like they all are.

[–] Calico 10 points (+10|-0)

Glad I ultimately didn’t vote for her in the primaries. I could see her being too easily manipulated on social issues by the wokerati.

[–] Boudicaea 9 points (+10|-1)

I am worried her words are being taken out of context. Saying that she believes "sex work" should be decriminalized may just mean that she believes in the Nordic model (as do I). Although the terminology is off if so.

But I am also worried that I can no longer support this woman, since she is calling prostitution sex work and it's unclear if she thinks sex buyers and procurers ought to still be held responsible for their crimes (rape).

I am going to have to write her a letter. She has really confused me on what exactly her stance is. She seems very very second wave with her focus on economic policy-- I love her so much for working out reasonable policies that make sense and are feasible. She seems to really understand what it's like to experience sexism, and to understand how to talk about it. But she tweets all kinds of weird stuff about trans kids, and now this weird, vague statement.

I think she is just virtue signalling to build buzz for her book and potential 2024 run, but IDK. She is clearly not very savvy on social issues. She needs to stick to what she knows. I have given her so much money, but I am starting to regret it.

[–] aloe_vera 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

You are right to not fall for headlines without understanding the context. Here is what I found. First of all, this was back in October 2019 and it's based on what Warren said on her Twitter:

I’ll also push for landmark new anti-discrimination legislation to protect workers from harassment. And I am open to decriminalizing sex work. Sex workers, like all workers, deserve autonomy and are particularly vulnerable to physical and financial abuse.

She adds in her website:

I am also open to decriminalizing sex work. Sex workers, like all workers, deserve autonomy and are particularly vulnerable to physical and financial abuse and hardship.

I am guessing that it is purposely very vague. It's hard to know what she means exactly. She does however support the Equality Act and doesn't realize how it affects women. From the previous Twitter thread:

First, I will fight to pass the Equality Act to explicitly ban anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination. But we can’t wait on Congress. In my first 100 days as president, I’ll use every legal tool we have to make sure that LGBTQ+ people can live free from discrimination.

From Warren's website:

First, I will fight to pass the Equality Act to explicitly guarantee that no LGBTQ+ person in America is discriminated against for who they are or who they love.

(...)

I will increase federal enforcement and investigations into anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination, so that these rights are part of LGBTQ+ people’s lived experience.

(...)

I will also make it easier to change identification documents to reflect a person’s gender identity.

(...)

I will direct the Bureau of Prisons to end the Trump Administration’s dangerous policy of imprisoning transgender people in facilities based on their sex assigned at birth and ensure that all facilities meet the needs of transgender people, including by providing medically necessary care, like transition-related surgeries, while incarcerated.

(...)

We must repeal the Hyde Amendment and the Trump Administration’s discriminatory domestic gag rule, fully support Title X family planning funding, and push for LGBTQ+ inclusive sex education.

[–] Boudicaea 2 points (+2|-0)

Thanks. It's worse than I feared on the inequality act. It took me a minute to figure out if it was really that bad myself, and I'm a TERF. I am sure she is not hearing our voices. I am going to have to write to her, I think.

[–] BlackCirce 47 points (+49|-2) Edited

Goodbye Democratic Party
Love,
an enraged and disgusted black woman

[–] tacocat 21 points (+21|-0)

I left a couple months ago. Fuck 'em.

[–] proudcatlady -8 points (+7|-15)

So what, do you just not vote now?

I vote conservative while holding my nose because smaller government (which is what they promise but never do) means fewer men in power over me.

[–] SamuraiGhostCat 25 points (+25|-0)

Why vote for men who want to ban abortion? :(

Voting for republicans reinforces the patriarchy and directly puts male lawmakers in power over women’s and girls’ bodies.

[–] Tnetennba 15 points (+21|-6) Edited

Honey you just said you're prolife, don't pretend it's actually about small government. Small enough to fit in our wombs, more like.

I just can't trust women who would have preferred I stay tethered to my child molesting abusive ex boyfriend.

[–] GCRadFem 15 points (+16|-1)

I never understood the amount of support for her. She typifies libfems.

[–] chromodorisrex 28 points (+29|-1)

When Warren was serious about economic issues as the bedrock of her politics I was a big fan. This is old but watching her predict the coming economic turmoil at the end of the W. Bush years.. she was smart, engaging and saw the writing on the wall. The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class, June 2007

Woke Liz, crying on stage over trans victims while ignoring and selling out women and girls? And now, throwing them to the wolves on prostitution as well? Hard pass. Nice while it lasted, I guess.

Same! I thought wow a woman who sees the economic problems we face. Ha! She's rich, she's elite, she makes those videos "have a beer with me" -- is that how she imagines the proles?

Lost to the Woke Cult. She's a good example of holding Luxury Beliefs.

[–] [Deleted] 45 points (+45|-0) Edited

It says something that the conversation is always about prostitutes and prostitution, Instead of the buyers. If there are no buyers then there is no demand to fill. Why are they not criminalizing the purchasing of human bodies, harsher repercussions for those who purchase and feed the industry. They need to go after the pornhub execs and all those other sick assholes. I promise you if they focused on the other side of the equation this shit would actually start being better.

If there are no buyers then there is no demand to fill.

I had the unpleasant experience of listening to men attack women for getting abortions. When I finally got to speak I said "Well stop having sex with these women then! They can't impregnate themselves! If you really feel so strongly, only have sex with your wives and talk about whether or not you want children first. Is that so hard?"

They just went back to how women are all sleeping with hundreds of men (in male fantasy world, women act the way they do in porn I guess?) and getting pregnant just to get abortions. I told them "Again, if you men would just go on strike and refuse to have sex with these women, nobody would be getting pregnant would they?"

As soon as you try to shift the responsibility to the male, they freak out.

[–] [Deleted] 12 points (+13|-1)

Men will shake and cry at accountability. Either that or become violent.

[–] shveya 24 points (+24|-0)

I'm convinced that almost no anti-choice male actually cares about the fetus.

[–] Kevina 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

they don't. they don't like the fact that they get no say so in the matter, except for the choice to either not have sex or have protected sex, and they don't like that. And because this way they can resent the woman for which ever choice she makes. If she has the abortion he's mad cause he didn't have a choice, and if she does have the baby he's mad that he has to support it and didn't have a choice. The choice to never have had sex seems not to occur to them.

From my experience, the anti-abortion men (with a few exceptions of hardcore religious people) are overall women-haters.

Their anti-abortion rants are linked to their claim that women are all super promiscuous, won't have any eggs after 30 (???), are going to be sorry they didn't marry an older man while she was young and had "sexual marketplace value" etc. It's all Manosphere crap that reflects how angry these men are that young girls aren't throwing themselves at them.

They don't actually want to be good fathers. They just want to make sure women are "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen."

[–] visits_radio [OP] 16 points (+21|-5)

I had a feeling the Democrats' next policy push after the planned removal of female sex-based rights in the nation would be to legalize the market that rents women as sexual commodities.

The Democrats, in my mind, are not electable.

The Republicans are bad but at least they know what a woman is.

[–] Tnetennba 3 points (+9|-6) Edited

Yeah, they know exactly who's abortion rights need to disappear, which BTW is happening in unprecedented numbers this year.

But no, let's all freak out about a Vogue cover while all of our rights are stripped away.

I swear to fucking god, it shouldn't be this hard to get feminists to care about abortion.

[–] proudcatlady 6 points (+7|-1)

Wait can the TIM be the ones they sell? Oh, wait, men don’t want to buy those? But why?? TWAW

There are a significant proportion of transwomen in prostitution. I don't feel any less empathetic for them.

[–] ellienoire 12 points (+21|-9) Edited

Republicans are pro-life. Without comprehensive sex ed, birth control, and abortion access our lives will be MARKEDLY worse. Can’t believe how many GQP shills are on this website, feels like an astroturf.

I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.

[–] Tnetennba 5 points (+11|-6) Edited

They act like parties can't ever change, despite complaining about how much has changed.

If everyone leaves OFC it will stay this way. That's the lazy, cowardly way out. Feminists know this is going to require hard work, we can't sit around holding our noses while waiting for the perfect political party to magick into existence.

Edit: it blows my fucking mind that it's actually this difficult to get feminists to care about ABORTION.

[–] visits_radio [OP] 10 points (+11|-1) Edited

The Democrats can change if we show them we are willing to leave. They are taking the female vote for granted. Compare their outrage to legislation that keeps kids competing in single-sex sports versus their silence on more restrictive abortion laws.

They don't truly believe they have to advocate for us. They are not acting as our representatives.

As 50% of the population, we should have a lot of influence in politics but we don't. Let us show them what happens when a group of politicians declares us to be feelings inside a man's head (us and our rights to be immaterial). Let it have a material effect on the party. Maybe then, they will pay attention.

[–] proudcatlady 6 points (+7|-1)

The two-party system is BOLLOCKS. And I say that as an American who has somehow become British from spending too much time on the radfem side of the internet.

[–] ellienoire 5 points (+5|-0)

I completely agree with this and it’s why I’m registered independent and have been since the day I turned 18. However, I WILL NOT vote for pro-life candidates.

I think if enough of us switch to R, we can run OUR candidates as R and hopefully move to make them accept all of the women's rights we want.

[–] Tnetennba 5 points (+7|-2)

You'd have a better chance backing someone like Nader than ever getting the Rs to consider that. It's literally why their biggest voting bloc votes republican. They're single issue anti-choice voters.

[–] EmilyJ 8 points (+14|-6) Edited

Wrong analogy You must realise abortion laws impacts majority of women But Sex based rights impacts ALL women of EVERY AGE bracket

If one is suffering from 2 diseases and has option of curing either a fatal tumour or Spondylosis , one will definitely choose the former and save their life !!

[–] Tnetennba 4 points (+8|-4) Edited

Uh, you completely reversed it. Pregnancy is the time sensitive event that has a huge chance of killing you.

You just very successfully argued against yourself...

[–] visits_radio [OP] 15 points (+20|-5) Edited

I am not willing to give my vote to Democrats who won't recognize my sex or any of my rights on that basis. Plus, the total decriminalization of prostitution across the entirety of the US will bring about a large wave of sex trafficking. The U.S is a big market. That is a possibility of millions of women being raped on the daily by men who purchase them.

The tradeoff is terrible on both the Democrat and Republican sides. Don't call me a shill for having empathy for those trapped in prostitution.

[–] proudcatlady -4 points (+7|-11)

Yeah, this makes me feel slightly better for voting conservative. This is a serious problem that could hurt a LOT of people very quickly.

[–] Bread 34 points (+36|-2)

"To right wing men, we are private property. To left wing men, we are public property. In either case, we are not considered to be humans: we are things." - Andrea Dworkin “Right Wing Women”

I’ve been thinking about that quote more and more lately.

[–] KBash 15 points (+16|-1) Edited

The right and the left have been twin sides of the patriarchal coin since patriarchy’s inception.

Silvia Federici’s Caliban and the Witch lays out how this worked during the birth of capitalism brilliantly.

[–] FFS 14 points (+15|-1)

I used to think she was so wonderful. Was so pissed when she stepped back for Bernie. What kind of delusion was I under.

[–] visits_radio [OP] 14 points (+14|-0)

Yes. I argued that she would make the best 2020 presidential nominee around the Thanksgiving dinner table. Now, I wouldn't even think of supporting her.