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[–] Eriomra 42 points (+42|-0)

When I have interviewed boys about their pornography consumption, they have told me that they seek more and more violent forms as they get bored with the more mainstream stuff. Porn is now the new ‘sex education’ in schools, and a number of young men have spoken out about being unable to sexually respond to women because their brains are so full of images of women being choked, urinated on, and damaged in ways probably too graphic for this publication.

This depresses me so much, it does look so much worse than when I was a child. A sick generation of men is coming, and I fear for the future or women’s rights, I think it is far more pervasive and dangerous than TRAs gender nonsense.

[–] Lilim 42 points (+42|-0)

I think TRA nonsense is just one of the many side effects of this actually. Incels, AGPs, girls wanting to opt out of puberty and womanhood and the whole “sex work is work” all derives from easy access to dehumanizing pornography.

[–] Eriomra 21 points (+21|-0)

Good point, so pornography is the root of our issues. It makes even more important to fight against it.

[–] bumpyjerboa 19 points (+19|-0)

High speed internet is wonderful for so many reasons but gosh I sometimes long for the days when the little asshole boys in my 7th grade class had to wait for a naked picture to load line by line over dial-up.

[–] RawSienna 20 points (+20|-0)

Imagine the halcyon days before the internet when it was mostly accessible as photos in a magazine, a seedy theatre, or a videotape that had to be physically rented and returned to a store. Most boys only had access to the magazines they found hidden by an adult.

[–] bumpyjerboa 13 points (+13|-0)

It sounds too sweet to bear. Just a random stack of playboys in the woods or something stuffed under your dad's side of the bed. And that was it!

[–] TheRoyalJesterf 29 points (+29|-0)

Porn either causes or exacerbates so many issues for women it's unbelievable.

We all know 90% of TIMs transition due to a fetish caused by porn.

A significant number of straight TIFs transition due to fear of how they'll be treated by men sexually after seeing what they do in porn.

A significant number of lesbian TIFs transition due to the fetishization of lesbians in porn.

A significant number of all TIFs transition due to body image issues caused by porn, or porn-influenced media.

Men abuse (and even murder) their female partners after getting sick ideas they never would have thought of on their own through porn.

The pressures on women to wear more and more makeup and higher and higher heels is due to the influence of porn.

Men abuse children sexually to add supply to other men's demand for child porn.

Men (and even other women) pressure women and girls into "sex work" like Only Fans due to the normalization of porn.

Men demand girls and women send nudes, fully intending on later using them as revenge porn.

I could literally go on and on for weeks. We focus so much on trans issues (as we should), but I truly believe porn is at the root of so many problems impacting women (INCLUDING trans issues) that I often wish we focused more on fighting it. I also think a lot of people are more willing to listen to criticism of porn than trans for some reason. Probably because more people's lives have been negatively impacted by porn than trans bullshit at this point.

The problem is, at least in the US, I have absolutely no idea how to fight it. I cannot agree with any limiting of the First Amendment when we all know the first group that would be used against would be feminists. "Misgendering" and "kink-shaming" would become illegal hate speech long before porn would be censored. So we'd have to attack it from another angle...

Perhaps a public health issue? And make it about men so people actually give a fuck? Men's special peepees are breaking! :'( 23-year olds are getting erectile dysfunction! (What's that you say? Men are also murdering women in "sex-games gone wrong" and women are killing themselves after men post their nudes online? LOL so what? Who cares? Think of the lost erections! That's the real problem!)

[–] furyosa 31 points (+31|-0)

I like FDS's approach to it: Create a culture of shaming and ridiculing the use of porn and refuse to date or have relationships with pornsick individuals.

[–] TheRoyalJesterf 18 points (+18|-0)

True, and I actually already do this in my personal life. But you're right that women doing this on a mass scale would probably be more effective than any legal arguments! Just mock, humiliate, and ostracize. Make life so miserable for them they'll never be able to climb out of mom's basement again lol!

[–] Tnetennba 9 points (+9|-0)

It's already kind of happening. Birth rates are down dramatically, and so is teenagers have sex. In fact everyone is having a lot less sex.

[–] Constantine 14 points (+15|-1)

The problem is, at least in the US, I have absolutely no idea how to fight it. I cannot agree with any limiting of the First Amendment when we all know the first group that would be used against would be feminists.

This is the issue with previous generations’ approach. Dworkin’s own book was the first thing censored under the obscenity law she herself fought for in Canada.

I think the answer is simple, though (the execution will never be however since men love their porn). Porn isn’t a problem because it’s obscene, it’s a problem because it’s abuse. Make it illegal for the same reason prostitution is illegal. Then actually crack down on it.

[–] TheRoyalJesterf 3 points (+5|-2)

That argument isn't going to work in the age of "sex work is work." And how could anyone argue that a woman taking extreme photos of herself to post on Only Fans is abuse?

We also know that men are more than capable of making realistic fake porn. If they just made those (without even using a real woman's face or body), who are they abusing?

It simply won't work. The obscenity argument won't work, either, I agree, but neither would an abuse argument.

[–] Tnetennba 5 points (+6|-1)

The SWIW argument is also wrong, so why would we use it as a barometer of what is right?

[–] Constantine 2 points (+3|-1) Edited

The question isn’t whether it would be easy to do, the question was what would be constitutional. As the other comment said, why would we use SWIW as a barometer for our own efforts? That makes no sense.

Edit: word

Edit 2: I don’t see how a radical feminist on a feminist website can argue that OnlyFans isn’t abuse. The money is a perverse incentive that takes away consent. That should be obvious.

Edit 3: Forgot the fake porn argument. Obviously there’s no constitutional way to make that illegal for adult consumption, but saying we should do nothing because of that is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. A world without real porn in a significantly better world for women and children.

[–] Tnetennba 8 points (+9|-1)

I cannot agree with any limiting of the First Amendment

Porn should never have been covered under the first amendment. The vast majority of it is coerced, which makes it filmed evidence of a crime. It incites violence and is used as a manual to commit crimes. It's not free speech, it's filmed violence and sexual assault.

[–] TheRoyalJesterf -1 points (+0|-1)

I agree with you personally, but it doesn’t change that American courts don’t agree with us. Radfems have tried that argument for decades and sadly it hasn’t worked, so all I’m trying to do is come up with other arguments.

Please see my other comment here replying to someone else because I won’t be engaging in this thread further.

[–] WitchCouture 10 points (+10|-0)

Co-ed is dangerous for girls.

[–] Ozomene 13 points (+13|-0)

I specifically applied for girls schools for my ASD daughter. It was before the more recent news broke but based on my experience as a girl in mixed education. I’ve no doubt it would harm her as she is more vulnerable and sensitive.

My experience was just as dial up was getting more popular in homes so not necessarily caused by porn, just by typical male entitlement and misogyny. I dealt with it well but my daughter won’t. Add to it social media and smart phones and they will never get away from harassment.