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I couldn't recognize a Billie Eilish or Tyler the Creator song at all, but all the media I read is suddenly rushing to inform me that Billie needed to apologize for "mouthing" the lyrics to a Tyler the Creator song. When she was 13. Because of a racial slur.

Of course none of the media outlets is willing to say (as distinct from using) the word, so I went looking for it and came across the lyrics to a graphic rape and murder fantasy passing itself off as a song.

And one word is the issue here? That a 13 year old girl "mouthed" along to? Where are the headlines that this is what is passing itself off as entertainment to 13 year old girls???!

It's as if the feminist movement never happened. Little girls can sing along to stories of their mutilation and abuse, but so long as they close their mouths for the racial line (which the original singer can say, apparently), it's all good. The actual contents of that song written by a GROWN MAN are not even worth commenting on in media. And we can use this action to punish this girl years and years later.

Just feeling dejected that this is the world my daughter will grow up in. Like JK Rowling said - I feel there's more open misogyny than I've ever seen in my nearly 4 decades. Is there even anything we can do when the baseline acceptability has shifted so hard?

(Also first time posting, please tell me if this is the wrong circle and will correct)

I couldn't recognize a Billie Eilish or Tyler the Creator song at all, but all the media I read is suddenly rushing to inform me that Billie needed to apologize for "mouthing" the lyrics to a Tyler the Creator song. When she was 13. Because of a racial slur. Of course none of the media outlets is willing to say (as distinct from using) the word, so I went looking for it and came across the lyrics to a graphic rape and murder fantasy passing itself off as a song. And *one word* is the issue here? That a 13 year old girl "mouthed" along to? Where are the headlines that *this is what is passing itself off as entertainment to 13 year old girls*???! It's as if the feminist movement never happened. Little girls can sing along to stories of their mutilation and abuse, but so long as they close their mouths for the racial line (which the original singer can say, apparently), it's all good. The actual contents of that song written by a GROWN MAN are not even worth commenting on in media. And we can use this action to punish this girl years and years later. Just feeling dejected that this is the world my daughter will grow up in. Like JK Rowling said - I feel there's more open misogyny than I've ever seen in my nearly 4 decades. Is there even anything we can do when the baseline acceptability has shifted so hard? (Also first time posting, please tell me if this is the wrong circle and will correct)

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[–] yougonnabebleedin 73 points (+73|-0)

Wait a minute...

TYLER THE CREATOR??

The little fucking misogynistic creep who writes songs about stalking, murdering and eating women? Songs that not one of the Wokie soldiers has a problem with.

Fuck this creep and every one who defends him.

[–] Lumos 64 points (+64|-0)

They’ve been coming at her hard for her 29 year old boyfriend’s racist and homophobic tweets from years ago, so it’s not surprising this got drudged up too. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/3108979/billie-eilish-boyfriend-matthew-tyler-vorce-aplology-racist-tweets/

I’m not too familiar with her, but all the recent things have me feeling awful for her, she’s a textbook grooming victim. Her thing was wearing the baggy clothes because she didn’t want to be sexualized, now she’s 19 (guess covid bought her a year) and now she’s doing sexy photoshoots and calling it feminism.

[–] BeaduNord [OP] 48 points (+48|-0)

I wasn't sure what made be uncomfortable about her look and all the coverage I see of her, but you hit the nail on the head. I cannot believe how young she is.

It also feels like they're lowering the age for when she should "know better" which also gives me major grooming vibes as well. She was 13! A 7th grader!

[–] Lumos 46 points (+47|-1)

I’ve heard others say her brother is a major creep and grooms her, but idk much about that situation. Her ex-bf is 24 now, so she has a history of dating older men (saw that while looking for the other article).

I’m just waiting for headlines saying she’s going to rehab for substance abuse or a breakdown. 😔

She isn’t the only girl something like this has happened to.

A white girl was singing to a rap song, I think she was 16, and her black male friend waited a few years for her to get a scholarship to her dream school, to bring it up and get her kicked out.

Going after people for dumb shit just trivializes actual racism and creates division.

It makes me see red that she’ll probably be punished more for this than male rappers are for beating women.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 52 points (+52|-0)

An actual rapper pulled a white woman out of a crowd at a concert to rap along with him onstage. When she said ALL the lyrics, he stopped and shamed in front of the whole crowd because she “shouldn’t have said it”. 😐

Notice they only ever shame women? But men (Hunter Biden) can say it and no one GAF.

[–] pennygadget 33 points (+34|-1)

A white girl was singing to a rap song, I think she was 16, and her black male friend waited a few years for her to get a scholarship to her dream school, to bring it up and get her kicked out.

I posted that story here a few months ago and a few users actually sympathized with that shithead boy and said losing her scholarship was a just punishment!. It made me sad.

It occasionally happens to boys (Kyle Kashuv comes to mind); but I've also noticed that White girls are overwhelmingly targeted for this. And it's so hypocritical. Liberal wokesters are OK with a violent teenager getting his criminal record expunged so he can start fresh at eighteen (and, depending on the crime, that's an understandable position). But then they gleefully ruin an innocent girl's life because she sang along to a vulgar song when she was THIRTEEN years old. Its so messed up

[–] SawItComing 11 points (+11|-0)

That was Mimi Groves and the 'friend' who betrayed her was Jimmy Galligan. Their names deserve to be remembered because it was so awful what he did to her. Who the hell saves a video for three years and waits for the right time to ruin your friend's life with it?

[–] babayaga 3 points (+3|-0)

I don't know much about Billie Eilish, but her brother does come across as a creep. I mean, he wrote a song for his younger, teenaged sister about how she wants to be controlled by her boyfriend, treated like an animal by him, get bruises on her knees for him, and "seduce" her boyfriend's dad. He also was (is?) dating a woman who looks a lot like his sister.

[–] milanakos216 22 points (+22|-0)

it’s not surprising this got drudged up too

I wonder who she pissed off. Because all of this is coming out of no where. It feels like this is a calculated effort on someone else's part if I'm honest.

[–] Lumos 11 points (+11|-0)

I agree the timing is very suspicious.

Are people coming at her for sexualizing herself? Did she sexualize herself to distract from something?

I admit all of my knowledge about her is from here, seeing headlines, and some instagram posts.

[–] hypatia 18 points (+18|-0) Edited

She pissed off deranged queer-cult types by "queerbaiting" with her latest video (which they decided was not ok, because she has a boyfriend)

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0)

What happened was she built a brand on not giving into sexualization. Expect she's been involved with groomers since a young age, she was not 18 so everyone was waiting until she turned 18 to hate her. The men were waiting with baited breath and the women and girls were hoping she made it out okay. Then she got immidietely sexualized and made an object and it left a bad taste in every fans mouth, it validated the shit men and it showed that she has been a victim all along. That she could say whatever she wanted to say but Billie is being used by everyone in her life and it'll be years before we know the true story. The sharks smelled blood in the water is all it is, they saw a young girl and thought she owes them something. Tale as old as time.

Definitely a grooming victim. I heard there were websites counting down to her 18th birthday. As if some arbitrary age makes your perversion okay.

[–] starry 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

now she’s 19 (guess covid bought her a year) and now she’s doing sexy photoshoots and calling it feminism.

19, dressing and posing like she's 30 (I would know, I am 30, lol) to appeal to all the men who were counting down the days to her 18th birthday.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

Same thing happened to Millie Bobbie Brown, it's disgusting. There's pictures of her and she looks the same age as Natalie Portman just because her makeup and clothes are those of woman who are older. And yet her stylist and team is dressing her up like that.it was Allan attempt to sexualized her and make her appear more mature for romance roles. Truly sick.

[–] shewolfoffrance 45 points (+45|-0)

Yes, let's hold a thirteen year old girl responsible for words that an adult man wrote. Let's hold a woman responsible for her boyfriend's and/or brother's misdeeds. Racists and misogynists always patiently wait to get the OK from women before they do something evil.

[–] bumpyjerboa 38 points (+38|-0)

I saw the story this morning and neither the song she mouthed along to or the artist of it was mentioned, just that she mouthed along an anti-Asian racist slur and the text of her apology.

I immediately dismissed it because people are constantly trying to scrutinize her and won't leave her the fuck alone even though she's still basically a child and WAS A CHILD when the video was taken... but this is next level fucked up. No matter how violent and evil a man is, a woman or girl is always the target to take the blame.

I can't help but think of how many other teenage girls have been utterly destroyed by the viciously misogynistic spotlight/magnifying glass they're put under. I have so much despair.

[–] bellatrixbells 44 points (+44|-0)

Anti-asian ? So a black guy can use anti-asian slurs, but others are not allowed to use anti-black slurs ? 🤔

Some people really want to monopolize oppression.

[–] Rag3 28 points (+29|-1)

The world isn’t ready to hold any men accountable for anything, let alone rap artists.

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

It's weird because I see so much argument in comments all over that it's not racism if it's an Asian person, brown etc. Like yes it is, they are a minority in the west and just because the other person is also an oppressed demographic does not mean they cannot be racist or even xenophobic.

Also don't forget that racism is different everywhere, not everything is like the US or the west. Minorities vary from country to country and all their experiences are valid.

[–] bellatrixbells 1 points (+1|-0)

"Also don't forget that racism is different everywhere, not everything is like the US or the west. "

Very much. The woke police specializes in ignoring this.

[–] hypatia 28 points (+28|-0) Edited

I think it's really disgusting how people love to trash celebs for sport; I think it's just now Billie's turn. She pissed off her crazy fans who were throwing a temper tantrum and accusing her of "queerbaiting" - because she posted "i love girls" and made a music video where she is hanging out with a group of girls and having a slumber party. She didn't respond to them and upset some of the nutso teenagers who think that being queer = a pass to be an authoritarian.

I also think it's just part of the cycle of celebrity. Unfortunately a lot of the people who are going to be the most visible fans are also going to be the most pathetic and insecure, why else would they get so obsessed with a celebrity (see also: JK Rowling). So they are on a hair trigger because they're already not really the most stable people anyway.

[–] Aeschleah 21 points (+21|-0) Edited

I read that, these gen z internet obsessives need to get out more, she wrote ‘I love women’ that’s not queer baiting, that’s just normal, why wouldn’t women love other women?! Why wouldn’t she have felt moved to write that after spending the day making a video with her female friends.

Pisses me off, we’ve circled right back to ‘if you hold hands with your female friend it means you’re lesbian’ and that being bad because it’s only for lesbians or some shit.

[–] Jinera 14 points (+14|-0)

People nowadays think one can only love women when it's about sex.

[–] GracieM 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Yep as a teen I held hands or linked arms with friends (I remember being specifically shamed while ice skating once, and I’m not even a lesbian.)

[–] pennygadget 19 points (+19|-0)

I think it's really disgusting how people love to trash celebs for sport; I think it's just now Billie's turn.

It reminds me of the Brittany Spears episode of South Park. Tabloids and asshole spectators will gleefully destroy Eilish and then, when she's spent, move on to a younger girl....

[–] linsin 9 points (+9|-0)

Tbf the slumber party video was male gazey and trash. Women don't "hang" out by resting against their friend's twerking ass.

[–] Genevieve 27 points (+27|-0)

I don't know the song in question and I refuse to look it up, but I haven't heard anything about the actual creator of the song being called out for his lyrics. Unless he was called out for them when the song first came out?

How do you get mad a young person for singing along to lyrics but not mad at the lyrics, nor the lyricist? It's like they build the girls up, place them on top, then trip them up and watch them tumble. Not saying that any of it is ok, but they're really piling up on her right now and it seems very deliberate.

[–] estina 20 points (+20|-0)

I thought the same exact thing. The gaslighting of women is out of control.

[–] sapphicafemme 11 points (+11|-0)

Tyler the Creator is honestly a menace who has gotten away with being an asshole for far too long. For the majority of the early part of his career, he got to make song about raping and killing women, hating Black women, and fetishizing Asian and White women. He rebrands as a “flower boy”, comes out as bi, and everything is suddenly all good?

Yeah, Billie shouldn’t have mouthed the words to the song but: 1. She was 13 2. The song shouldn’t have been made in the first place 3. If anything, blame the creator of the song and even the adults in her life for not monitoring the entertainment she consumed (if that even applies).

When I was younger, kids were singing along to stupid shit like BOTDF and Hollywood Undead. The lyrics were gross but these kids were like 11, the artists KNEW who their fanbases were, and continued to make that kind of music while most parents did a shit job about regulating what their kids listened to and watched.

In Billie Eilish’s situation, she should be the last one being blamed. Tyler the Creator has gone on long enough without facing the consequences of his actions.

[–] proudcatlady 9 points (+9|-0)

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Man writes a song about hurting women. Woman punished.

This is so common in hip-hop it’s not even funny.

Beware of the racial wokes. Almost all of them DO NOT CARE about WOC. They are only there to support the worst of the MOC.

[–] morgan_rhosyn 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

Probably unrelated but this reminds me of how hard fans went at Millie Bobby Brown (who plays Eleven in Stranger Things) for defending Joe in the show You, when she’s a teenager and was actually groomed by Drake, so it’s no surprise she thinks male creeps are normal but it’s not her fault and doesn’t deserve to be attacked.

I'm old so I might be terribly wrong here, but does anyone else we an element of fetishization of black male violence, especially to women, in the way black US culture is sold to white men?

It seems obvious that what really sells is violent pimp culture tropes that appeal to both (repressed, maybe?) misogyny and racism in white men. We have gone from Coltrane and Miles, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Gil Scott Heron etc - all highly intelligent, articulate black men to a parody of pimps from Starsky and Hutch.

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