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She is a well-know YouTuber and entertainer who has been around for more than 10 years. It's very hard to describe her... She makes mukbangs, trolls people, cries on the kitchen floor, loves Fashion Nova and role plays as a Starbucks barista. She is a ditzy California girl, but she can also be brutally honest and too real at times. She has talked about her child sexual abuse, prostitution experience and mental health issues on numerous occasions. She suffers from BPD and schizophrenia, I think.

She was co-hosting a show called Frenemies, but had issues over creative control with Ethan Klein. Trisha and Ethan had an online spat for days, where most of people sided with him. This has triggered a large portion of their fanbase to be upset at Trisha for the cancellation of the show and the target of continuous online harassment for months.

During her time in Frenemies, Trisha helped a rape victim receive justice. She helped corroborate her story, which led to an Insider article about David Dobrik and the Vlog Squad. Dobrik provided alcohol to this young woman to help his friend rape her, which was used as footage for a vlog. The video was uploaded to millions of people with a lighthearted tone, making the victim seem like she agreed to have a threesome with Dobrik's friend while he recorded the situation unravel. Afterwards, the victim contacted Dobrik to ask him to delete it, which he refused.

Ethan, on his thirst for views and possibly revenge, decided to make a podcast episode on Trisha questioning the veracity of her claims. I don't want to make the post too long, but essentially Ethan thinks that because Trisha possibly lied about getting a dog with an ex-boyfriend years ago, that has made him question everything that she has ever said. Dobrik's fans have taken this and used it to discredit Trisha and the rape victim's testimony.

For weeks, the harassment and hate mob has been building up and progressively getting worse. People are commenting really heinous stuff all over her social media like the fact that they were happy that she is infertile, hoping that she gets hurt, saying that she deserved to be abused, etc. Ethan's fans are also calling the police on them, doxing and harassing people in their lives, contacting her sponsors to get her dropped and calling her fiancé's workplace. On the topic of Moses, Trisha's fiancé and Ethan's brother-in-law... Last week two women have come forward to accuse him of rape via stealthing. Both parties have released statements and screenshots of their messages. These two women dated him before he met Trisha, but somehow the vitriol is shifted back to her and some people are giddy at the possibility that she might be in an abusive relationship or is being manipulated by someone who is just using her for money.

Recently, a woman released two videos questioning Trisha's sexual abuse, citing the low crime rate in Trisha's hometown and the fact that the man who abused her was a war veteran as the reasons why she couldn't be a victim of sexual abuse. Initially, Trisha named her abuser and said that the man had a child pornography arrest record, which she has admitted that the latter was an error on her side. But people are still harping on her to the point where she is having a mental breakdown online.

She has asked Ethan and his wife if they can please stop mentioning her on their podcast because each time they do, a new wave of people send her hate. Every video that Ethan and Hila upload that has Trisha as clickbait receives double and sometimes even triple the views. They both denied her request and shifted the blame back to her. Then they pressured her to be completely open about her history of sexual abuse as a child, which she is not ready to do. Besides, I am not sure if sharing more details will calm the angry mob who will use anything to discredit her. I know Trisha has done very questionable things, but I am just finding their response cold and callous.

I understand that people might not like Trisha and that she is a controversial figure, but people are starting to push things too far in my opinion. Underneath it all, she is a mentally ill person, who needs help. It's like as if people think that women who are not "good" deserve to be dehumanized, bullied and abused. I am also appalled at the way how they have weaponized her past sexual abuse and how this could set a precedent on how rape victims' stories are treated online. What do you think of the situation?

She is a well-know YouTuber and entertainer who has been around for more than 10 years. It's very hard to describe her... She makes mukbangs, trolls people, cries on the kitchen floor, loves Fashion Nova and role plays as a Starbucks barista. She is a ditzy California girl, but she can also be brutally honest and too real at times. She has talked about her child sexual abuse, prostitution experience and mental health issues on numerous occasions. She suffers from BPD and schizophrenia, I think. She was co-hosting a show called Frenemies, but had issues over creative control with [Ethan Klein](https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/24206/ethan-klein-the-epitome-of-the-disingenuous-hypocritical-porn-lover). Trisha and Ethan had an online spat for days, where most of people sided with him. This has triggered a large portion of their fanbase to be upset at Trisha for the cancellation of the show and the target of continuous online harassment for months. During her time in Frenemies, Trisha helped a rape victim receive justice. She helped corroborate her story, which led to an Insider article about David Dobrik and the Vlog Squad. Dobrik provided alcohol to this young woman to help his friend rape her, which was used as footage for a vlog. The video was uploaded to millions of people with a lighthearted tone, making the victim seem like she agreed to have a threesome with Dobrik's friend while he recorded the situation unravel. Afterwards, the victim contacted Dobrik to ask him to delete it, which he refused. Ethan, on his thirst for views and possibly revenge, decided to make a podcast episode on Trisha questioning the veracity of her claims. I don't want to make the post too long, but essentially Ethan thinks that because Trisha possibly lied about getting a dog with an ex-boyfriend years ago, that has made him question everything that she has ever said. Dobrik's fans have taken this and used it to discredit Trisha and the rape victim's testimony. For weeks, the harassment and hate mob has been building up and progressively getting worse. People are commenting really heinous stuff all over her social media like the fact that they were happy that she is infertile, hoping that she gets hurt, saying that she deserved to be abused, etc. Ethan's fans are also calling the police on them, doxing and harassing people in their lives, contacting her sponsors to get her dropped and calling her fiancé's workplace. On the topic of Moses, Trisha's fiancé and Ethan's brother-in-law... Last week two women have come forward to accuse him of rape via stealthing. Both parties have released statements and screenshots of their messages. These two women dated him before he met Trisha, but somehow the vitriol is shifted back to her and some people are giddy at the possibility that she might be in an abusive relationship or is being manipulated by someone who is just using her for money. Recently, a woman released two videos questioning Trisha's sexual abuse, citing the low crime rate in Trisha's hometown and the fact that the man who abused her was a war veteran as the reasons why she couldn't be a victim of sexual abuse. Initially, Trisha named her abuser and said that the man had a child pornography arrest record, which she has admitted that the latter was an error on her side. But people are still harping on her to the point where she is having a mental breakdown online. She has asked Ethan and his wife if they can please stop mentioning her on their podcast because each time they do, a new wave of people send her hate. Every video that Ethan and Hila upload that has Trisha as clickbait receives double and sometimes even triple the views. They both denied her request and shifted the blame back to her. Then they pressured her to be completely open about her history of sexual abuse as a child, which she is not ready to do. Besides, I am not sure if sharing more details will calm the angry mob who will use anything to discredit her. I know Trisha has done very questionable things, but I am just finding their response cold and callous. I understand that people might not like Trisha and that she is a controversial figure, but people are starting to push things too far in my opinion. Underneath it all, she is a mentally ill person, who needs help. It's like as if people think that women who are not "good" deserve to be dehumanized, bullied and abused. I am also appalled at the way how they have weaponized her past sexual abuse and how this could set a precedent on how rape victims' stories are treated online. What do you think of the situation?

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[–] yangsun 18 points (+19|-1)

I started getting involved with the YouTube commentary community around its main beginning in 2015 with Pyro and Leafy, and H3h3 was at their peak. Trisha was seen as just this weirdo in entirely another world. Nobody in those communities really talked about her past to the extent that I had no idea anything of what she had been through until recently (granted I haven't been active in the community for a solid few years).

I have to say that this behaviour from the community is just appalling. Ethan has proven time and time again that not only is he a liar, a snake and a hypocrite but also that he's generally a bit of an idiot. The community hasn't been on his side for so many years and for good reason, but they see a woman with mental illness and they descend on her like a pack of mangy dogs.

I rarely enjoy Trisha's content and my feelings toward her personality are pretty neutral but I can't help but feel so so sympathetic towards her. She's had such an insanely traumatic life filled with leeches who do nothing but take advantage of her and make a mockery of her serious issues. Its even got to the point where she, like so many other disillusioned, traumatised women, started saying she was trans (of course, the community relentlessly attacked her, a woman for this) and now she identifies as non binary. I think Trisha is a prime example that shows you simply cannot identify out of the oppression, hatred and sexism you face for being female. I strongly doubt most of this would happen if she was male. Nobody would continually attack her, bully her, discredit her, make mockery of her rape and abuse and then gaslight her when she tries to respond if she was a male.

They see her as some performing monkey. They know she has faced hell, but they separate themselves from this abuse and then, as you said OP, weaponize it. It doesn't quite compute with them that she is a real, raw human and the abuse and horror that she has faced pretty much constantly in her life is not a joke or a sketch or public property to be utilised against her.

When she is fully present, lucid and on her meds she hits hard with the truth that sometimes the scrotes just cannot bear to hear.

[–] aloe_vera [OP] 11 points (+11|-0)

It doesn't quite compute with them that she is a real, raw human and the abuse and horror that she has faced pretty much constantly in her life is not a joke or a sketch or public property to be utilised against her.

Yes, what also bothers me about this situation is that all the tea/commentary channels continue to fan the flames. I am disgusted at how they act all progressive, but then will throw anyone under the bus for views. I am worried about Trisha's well-being and I wonder what it would take for them to realize that they have gone too far.

[–] yangsun 7 points (+7|-0)

Agreed. I saw some tea spill video and wholeheartedly expected her to support Trisha, a sister in need of a helping hand and someone on her side but what I saw was a vulture picking at whatever was left that the other youtubers didn't touch.

[–] tahmahrah 5 points (+5|-0)

It would take her killing herself, and then those same people would trip over themselves with copy/paste, half-baked mental health awareness/suicide hotline/anti-bullying videos.

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0)

I don't think mobs ever realize they've gone too far, not even after something happens. They'll blame someone or something else (likely the victim).

[–] RadicalFrog 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

As someone who was a fan of the old H3 videos and casually watches the podcasts now, (although I was never a fan of frenemies because I dislike petty youtube drama and that whole scene), I think both parties are to blame in this scenario.

Trisha has BPD and so is wired to have a victim mentality (which is very real and painful for her), and also thrives off of the attention that social justice gives her. Coming out with the David Dobric stuff made her feel powerful and also allowed her to take revenge on people who hurt her. Yes, it was great of her to shed light on what happened, but Trisha's motives were not exactly for the best reasons. Trisha is a good example of an extreme Pickme libfem due to her trauma, so her motives for going after David were not really because of her putting herself in the shoes of the victim but rather being able to relish in the takedown of Dobric, and to be seen as morally-just in the public's eyes. She very much dislikes and is jealous of other women as she sees them as threats, and she hangs out now with Social Repose who has allegations of his own.

Ethan can be pretty porn-sick and gross, and the more that I get into feminism, the more I dislike the podcast, but in this case I don't know if he's strictly to blame. I do think that it would have been best to never talk about Trisha again and cut her out immediately after breaking up frenemies. I feel like them constantly bringing her up is because they are hurt, but the mature response is just to cut her out and get over it. Trisha has always been hated on youtube and mocked by the commentary community, so those same people are now accusing her of lying, building cases and sending her hate. I don't necessarily think that the majority of people who are going after her are H3 fans - I think most of them are either people who never liked her, or Trisha fans that turned against her after her split from H3. As for them taking the podcast down where Trisha talked about a teacher sexually assaulting her and publicly named him: It turns out that he's now dead and the family is being harassed and is threatening to sue for defamation as she said that he was charged as a sex offender when he wasn't. I don't think that taking the episode down was the best move, because obviously that is going to further fuel the mob of harassment to Trisha.

As Trisha is someone with severe mental issues, I feel that H3 should have had the maturity to stop giving her any attention and be the ones to take the high road because she is incapable of that.. Then they would not be to blame for the mob going after her, because they have divorced themselves from the mob. As of now, it is unclear how much of the mob are H3 fans sending hate, and that grey area makes them at least partially culpable. Trisha should not be on the internet as it just inflames all of her negative BPD traits (attention seeking, narcissism, victimhood) but unfortunately she’s now too intrenched into the internet and relies on it for everything.

By the way, I might be biased on my opinion because I was abused by someone close to me with BPD who acted very similar to Trisha, but those are my thoughts on the whole situation.

[–] tahmahrah 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

You summed this up beautifully, thank you.

Also, may your abuser rot in hell.

[–] tahmahrah 10 points (+10|-0)

It's like as if people think that women who are not "good" deserve to be dehumanized, bullied and abused.

Bingo.

[–] [Deleted] 9 points (+10|-1)

Why is it so easy for mobs of people to find a woman to hate and abuse like this? And why are there no repercussions for their actions? I don't care what Trisha Paytas has said or done, because nothing merits this sort of behavior from what is in effect a large, brainless, violent mob.

[–] [Deleted] 8 points (+8|-0)

Then they pressured her to be completely open about her history of sexual abuse as a child

That is none of their fucking business. Even a therapist doesn't get to make that demand.

[–] space_out 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

There is quite a bit to break down in regards to Ethan, I don't get why drama channels aren't using the opportunity to make devil advocate videos while he's still a hot topic.

  • He breeds and feeds off of mob mentality. While the "foot soldiers" is all fun and games, we see he gets off of having his personal army. I cannot think of another youtuber playing with this fire, asides of Pewdiepie having the bro army, realising it is a mess and demoting them to "9 year olds", directly referencing their past behaviour.
  • He has an unhealthy relationship with women. They used to have this segment on podcast, where they watched a youtube channel dedicated to women's sports sexualisation. The joke was how aroused they were getting by something available on youtube. The whole reason he met Trisha was because he called her a corpse in a casket. He still is Ethen "women are to be conquered" Klein. Hell, he proposed to his wife with buttwipes - that's how he treats his #1(so happy Hila's business is booming so she can split whenever).
  • He has a track record of exploiting desperate individuals for entertainment - Skippy the virgin, Jimmie the dentist, Shoenice. He has used his friends as stepping stones - JonTron, Pewdiepie.

Combine the love of mobs, issues with women and ability to use people and abuse desperate people, Trisha is essentially his perfect target. He won't make any real actions to let this die down.

[–] aloe_vera [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

Drama channels are a bunch of cowards and will go along with the popular opinion to get easy views. I wish there was another big exposé video on Ethan like the one that Gokanaru made a few years ago. There are so many instances of him being misogynistic and disgusting to women that get overlooked. From the top of my head:

  • Calling women twinkies, manatees, corpses, land whales, etc. and excusing it by saying that it's just a joke.
  • Describing a woman as a bowling ball that gets fingered and passed around.
  • Getting a woman harassed for the crime of rating herself as a 9/10.
  • Forcing his mother to talk about personal intimate details.
  • Humiliating his wife by publicly lusting after and flirting with sex workers.
[–] proudcatlady 5 points (+5|-0)

Ethan Klein is the epitome of the standard modern male. He represents everything I despise about them. His wife is gorgeous and does EVERYTHING. He has depression which he doesn’t seem to treat but rather uses as an excuse to shirk responsibility and let himself go. He looks easily double her age and brags about how ugly he is online. She birthed his child. I shudder to think what kind of father he is. He’s super pornfried and a horrible example for everyone around, openly disrespecting his amazing wife.

He proposed to Hila with wipes on the toilet, thinking it’s funny, and their “amazing love story” involves them selling drugs to avoid poverty like it’s some wonderful thing when in reality Ethan is a deadbeat who should have waited until he got a real big boy job to import a wife from overseas. I mean seriously, she’s in a new country and THIS is what she gets? No one was forcing them to live in San Francisco.

He is so below her it sickens me and this relationship is a classic Adam Sandler model for the children watching to think is normal and emulate.

[–] aloe_vera [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

He knows that Hila is out of her league, yet he gets her involved in a lawsuit and humiliates her by drooling over other women. Frankly, I don't understand why she chooses to stay with him.

[–] platypus 5 points (+5|-0)

I don't like Trisha but she clearly doesn't deserve the amount of hate she gets. She was also involved with bringing down Jeffree Star and Shane Dawson, I have a lot of respect for that.

I hope she keeps bringing down creepy fucks and drops the "I'm trans" drag queen thing.

Trisha has spoken openly of her own accord about sexual abuse and sexuality for a long time now which would lead people to believe that she would be okay with speaking about it. The Mysterious commentary channel collected evidence from Trisha herself that her story has changed a lot over the years (from her videos and autobiography) and it seems to point at that Trisha has been abused but not by who she has named. Ethan is a douche, Moses is a predator and Trisha needs psychological help. But she's also a public figure and an adult with every opportunity to seek the help she needs and is not taking responsibility for herself. Whenever she gets into hot water, people tell others to back off because of her mental health so she never has to be accountable. She's a human, she's done good and she's done bad. Neither washes away the other.

There's plenty of people on the internet that just follow drama channels so to pin all the harassment on h3h3 fans is ridiculous. She's getting criticism all over the place (which she seeks out as she's admitted herself to monitoring subreddits that talk about her) because she's pissed so many different groups off throughout the years with her antics. She needs to log off for her own good and break up with Moses.

[–] space_out 2 points (+2|-0)

It's absolutely valid to pin it all on h3 fans when you can see her comment section do 180 after leaving Frenemies.

Yes, she got hate from TRAs, that video got downvotes, but people didn't stick around for her mukbangs for months to comment and downvote. She has posted numerous non-h3 related videos (hauls, mukbangs, etc) since the breakup and every single one is, first of all, downvoted to oblivion and second of all the comment section is full of comments about h3. Even the TRAs back then didn't latch on to her like that.

Bottom line is - if you want a celebrity to lose fame, ignore them. But they want her to respond, they want to keep ripping her apart.

[–] aloe_vera [OP] 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I think that it's Ethan's fans too. The people who are leaving hateful comments or tweeting at her reference jokes from the H3 podcast. The doxxing and the plans to get her deplatformed all started in their subreddit, which is moderated by Ethan's employees. I also see people posting Trisha's videos there so that they can all go mass downvote it and leave horrible comments.

[–] TallAdultFemale 1 points (+1|-0)

It's her income so I don't think it's that easy for her to give up YouTube. Maybe we should let imperfect women have YouTube careers and hope she gets her meds straightened out. BPD afaik gets treated with Dialectical Behavior Therapy, which is not drugs. Too often I've seen people labeled as BPD when psych meds don't work for other problems they have, it's a way of blaming the patient. A few years ago I was hospitalized for alcoholism (only woman there for that) and all the men that were in the hospital were there for drug abuse except one who was not in touch with reality. Most of the women that were there were there for being unhappy with their lives and stuffed full of antidepressants or ECT. It was mostly women, every group therapy I've ever been in has been mostly women. Some seemed to be mothers trying to get away from the crushing workloads at home. My roommate was clearly coping with poverty. A few years before that and my drinking I was in a beautiful rural psychiatric center with all kinds of services and it mostly specialized in anorexia and bulimia. They ignored my chronic overeating, of course. But those were mostly younger women trying to get control of their lives from their rich families. They had life problems but the families causing the problem weren't part of the treatment. Everything gets blamed on the women and how they handle a broken social world.

My point is that I think a lot (not all) of mostly women are gaslight by the psychiatric industry and those that aren't are made unstable by society that focuses on profit over people. Trisha should be able to keep her job as a YouTuber but she needs a good therapist to help direct her from caring about the unwell people that are on that platform. When she can be, she's a powerful woman, but it's clear she's suggestible to gender woo because of her abuse. Who knows what else has damaged her feelings of self-efficacy because of her being labeled by what was probably very well paid psychiatrists.

If psychiatry can convince children that they are in the wrong bodies, what can they do to vulnerable and suggestible sexual abuse victims?

Society is sick and it manifests in those with the least power. The song Mother's Little Helper is still valid, though they're about to start limiting Valium prescriptions the same as pain meds, even if they're needed. The rosé all day crowd is about to grow.

[–] aloe_vera [OP] 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I agree that Trisha has done mistakes that she definitely needs to be held accountable for, but I draw a hard line when we start to accuse women that they are lying about their sexual abuse. Some of the arguments that Mysterious used to discredit Trisha's rape are strange; like her hometown being a low crime area, her rapist being a war veteran and her refusal to talk about her sexual trauma in her early career. How are any of these things relevant and how exactly do they disprove that a rape took place? They were spamming her with her rapist's name and demanding for her to publicly apologize to this man's family. This is not criticism, this is cruel bullying. As of today, several of Trisha's former classmates have come forward to confirm that the man that she accused was handsy with female students and had been caught watching pornography in a classroom with minors.

Yes, Trisha needs to take accountability for a lot of things, but accusing her of making up her sexual abuse is a low blow. She has said that she tried to speak up when she was a child, but nobody believed her. She is reliving her pain and trauma almost 20 years later. Ethan and his fans should be ashamed of themselves.