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Edit: Larry Elder seems to be a "starve the government" Republican who wants to cut taxes on the rich. Looked up his views on his website. I don't think I can support that. Some of his other positions I could live with (or agree with to some extent) to give the anti-woman Democrats of California a black eye, but not that. He does not take a stance on the trans issue-- although that may be the best you can hope for out there, even from Republicans. Anyone else have thoughts?

OP:

I am not a Californian, but I have seen a few articles about Rose's support of Larry Elder and been intrigued. She isn't a radical feminist that I can tell, but she is a strong advocate for women on the issue of sexual assault.

Here is a Daily Beast article about it that I just saw: https://archive.is/PbuhZ

Her struggle to support Democrats seems to align with mine. I am also a lifelong Dem who feels very betrayed by the party. I cannot fathom supporting any but the most moderate of Republicans though.

I don't know much about Larry Elder-- how moderate is he? Is he someone that radical feminists should support? Critically, is he pro-life or pro-choice? What is his stance on economic policy?

I agree that Newsom seems to be no friend to women, and it's terrible that his wife tried to intercede on behalf of Weinstein. I know she denies that, but I think Rose has earned our trust, and I believe Rose over her. Not that Newsom is necessarily responsible for his wife's actions, I guess, but it does show a lack of morals and values in that family, and at least where abused women rank in the list of priorities.

I would consider donating to Larry Elder if it makes sense.

Is Larry Elder the kind of Republican that rad fems need to begin considering as potential alternatives to Dems? I am wondering if his candidacy represents a template for us to follow in the future. I believe we cannot be liberated until we make efforts to actively support candidates that are good for women, regardless of party. It's not enough to simply not be engaged.

Hope this is the right circle-- it didn't seem like it fit in /o/Activism.

Edit: Larry Elder seems to be a "starve the government" Republican who wants to cut taxes on the rich. Looked up his views on his website. I don't think I can support that. Some of his other positions I could live with (or agree with to some extent) to give the anti-woman Democrats of California a black eye, but not that. He does not take a stance on the trans issue-- although that may be the best you can hope for out there, even from Republicans. Anyone else have thoughts? OP: I am not a Californian, but I have seen a few articles about Rose's support of Larry Elder and been intrigued. She isn't a radical feminist that I can tell, but she is a strong advocate for women on the issue of sexual assault. Here is a Daily Beast article about it that I just saw: https://archive.is/PbuhZ Her struggle to support Democrats seems to align with mine. I am also a lifelong Dem who feels very betrayed by the party. I cannot fathom supporting any but the most moderate of Republicans though. I don't know much about Larry Elder-- how moderate is he? Is he someone that radical feminists should support? Critically, is he pro-life or pro-choice? What is his stance on economic policy? I agree that Newsom seems to be no friend to women, and it's terrible that his wife tried to intercede on behalf of Weinstein. I know she denies that, but I think Rose has earned our trust, and I believe Rose over her. Not that Newsom is necessarily responsible for his wife's actions, I guess, but it does show a lack of morals and values in that family, and at least where abused women rank in the list of priorities. I would consider donating to Larry Elder if it makes sense. Is Larry Elder the kind of Republican that rad fems need to begin considering as potential alternatives to Dems? I am wondering if his candidacy represents a template for us to follow in the future. I believe we cannot be liberated until we make efforts to actively support candidates that are good for women, regardless of party. It's not enough to simply not be engaged. Hope this is the right circle-- it didn't seem like it fit in /o/Activism.

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[–] LilianH 13 points (+13|-0)

A lot of politics today appears to be a no good choice for women choice.

[–] Mmmm_Brains 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

It is quite startling to realize the entire world and the politics of it are very much anti woman currently. 2021 and things are very dire for us all.

[–] Boudicaea [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

Yeah, I was kind of hoping this might be the Republican unicorn. No dice.

[–] GCRadFem 12 points (+13|-1)

Larry Elder? This is an example of Elder below.

Larry Elder said an argument could be made that slave owners also deserve reparations because their "property" was "taken away" from them after the Civil War. The Black conservative, who is hoping to become California's next governor, made the comments during a July 18 episode of Candace Owens' "The Candace Owens Show."

Or his stance on abortion:

Elder believes killing unborn babies in abortions is “murder” and Roe v. Wade is “one of the worst decisions that the Supreme Court ever handed down.”

“I believe abortion is murder,” he told the Los Angeles Times in July, 2021.

Just say no to Elder! As much as Democrats don’t represent me, Republicans never will and are far worse for women.

[–] Boudicaea [OP] 8 points (+9|-1)

Ok, yeah, he is definitely not getting my money then.

I am disappointed in Rose for supporting him. I though he might be a realistic option since she is doing so.

[–] GCRadFem 6 points (+7|-1)

I don’t know enough about her but thought she was a feminist. I guess not?

From LA Times September 4, 2021:

Two years into the Trump presidency, Elder sounded rhapsodic about the choice he and other Americans made. “The election of Donald Trump in 2016, in my opinion, was divine intervention,” he told an audience of conservatives gathered at a Rancho Palos Verdes resort in 2019. “It was a miracle. He is almost God-sent.”

Yeah. Larry Elder.

[–] Boudicaea [OP] 7 points (+7|-0)

She is, I think, but I am pretty sure she is not a radical feminist or probably a very philosophical thinker on feminism. But I would say she's done more for feminism over the last few years than most prominent feminists have on the issue of sexual assault and harassment.

I think she is only supporting him because she thinks he has the best shot against Newsom, who she opposes more than Elder. That's the only logical explanation now that you've explained who Elder is to me a bit better.

I personally think in these sorts of situations, maybe don't vote or find another candidate that you like, even if they aren't likely to win. There's no lack of candidates on the race, according to my understanding.

[–] Lily251 1 points (+1|-0)

Some feminists, in fact many I know, get focused on a single issue, something they feel really passionate about. I think that's what's going on here. It's hard to weigh up which candidate is less terrible and which issues are most important at the moment.

[–] CacaoGudem 8 points (+8|-0)

Elder is a horrible candidate and I've already voted no on the recall. Elder would undo decades of environmental protections and destroy the job market for my profession. Unfortunately, none of the candidates stood out on protecting women's rights so I didn't think recalling Newsom would be a good idea anyway.

I voted no on the recall as well and I am incredibly pissed off that I had to do so because I hate Newsom, but Elder is such a poor choice and it was clear from polling that he would win should the Yes vote prevail.

I don't understand why the Republicans backed the "Trump-like" candidate over a moderate Republican. So many people are so frustrated with Newsom that the Republicans could have had a very good shot at gaining support from moderates of all parties had they backed someone more in the vein of Faulconer. Not that Faulconer is great either, he supports the equality act as it stands, with all the gender erasure of sex-based protections. But California seems to really need someone to act as a check to the Democratic super-majority that doesn't even think twice about agreeing to allow males in women's prisons for woke points. The whole thing is so frustrating and I am not looking forward to continuing to deal with Newsom or possibly having to deal with Elder. I don't feel like I have any political say in my own damn state.

[–] Lily251 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

I voted no on the recall as well and I am incredibly pissed off that I had to do so because I hate Newsom,

Same. :(

[–] ArmyofMe 3 points (+4|-1)

I too struggle with the Democratic Party but the answer is NOT to go to the Republicans.

[–] Boudicaea [OP] 0 points (+1|-1)

Yeah, it's just tough because there's not really another option. I am theoretically open to the idea, but as this post showed, in the end the candidates Republicans put up are even worse.

I really wish there was a viable third option.

[–] Aparallaxia 1 points (+1|-0)

Here's a newer story:

https://archive.is/4rglt

The Republicans simply want the chance to nominate a Republican senator to replace Dianne Feinstein if and when she retires (similar playbook to how they managed to stack the SC with right-wingers who are already destroying Roe vs Wade). This has absolutely nothing to do with what's good for California and absolutely everything to do with the Republicans wanting to regain control of the Senate and bring President Biden's legislative program to a full stop, even more than they've managed already—the way they always do with Democratic Presidents; Mitch McConnell has announced this project in so many words. Then when the Democrats blame them for bringing the country to a standstill, they have the insufferable brass neck to blame the Democrats for not giving in to their every demand. So I hope Rose McGowan, whatever her motivation, comes to realize she is being exploited by the Republicans.

[–] Boudicaea [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Yeah, that is a concern. Is it realistic that Cali would ever in a million years replace her with an R, though? I mean McConnell didn't get to where he is by being dumb, but he also didn't get there by being unambitious. They might hope for this to happen, but realistically I just don't see it.

[–] Aparallaxia 0 points (+0|-0)

If Feinstein is forced to step down mid-term because of illness or incompetence (and there have been rumours) then the Governor gets to nominate a replacement for the remainder of her term. Obv. the election will eventually replace this replacement, but in the meantime the Senate would swing to the Repugs. Think what would happen if the H of R had meanwhile swung to them as well... DF has to step down soon.