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[–] Maplefields 25 points Edited

From the comments:

“For female drivers, it is impossible to wear the men’s pants provided by Walmart specifically made to fit only male employees due to anatomical differences between the sexes,” the complaint states... I'm not saying this lawsuit isn't without merit but I beg to differ on the statement above. I am a woman and buy men's pants all the time. they actually fit better and are cheaper

And an MRA praises her

The difference Lynn, is you sound reasonable and rational. You have realistic expectations and I have a feeling you aren't a "victim" of life.

I can’t believe the gall of some women to undermine efforts of women to make the world a better place for women.

Sure, Lynn, they may fit YOU better, but you’d be in the minority. This isn’t the time and place to brag about how lucky you are that the men’s clothing department works out so well for you to save you dollars. Average sex differences below the waist lead to smaller waists, wider hips, different pelvic tilt, no external sex organs (if you look at pants drafted for men vs women, you’d see that the U curve (where your crotch goes) is different, rounder butts, and wider thighs.

What happens when there’s not enough room in the seat of the pants? You end up having to keep pulling your pants up to readjust them. And you may experience frequent wedgies.

What happens when you have to buy larger sizes to fit your hips and thighs? The waistband is completely useless because men don’t need smaller waistbands than the hips. A belt would not help. The amount of fabric being scrunched up by the belt would cause physical discomfort.

Now, this comment replies to a different MRA

Scrubs are generally loose fitting with either a cinch tie or an elastic band at the top of the pants to secure them. This makes them pretty gender neutral as far as fit. Work pants that are not scrubs are not loose fitting and have zippers/buttons. Male work pants are made for the straight frame of a male while female pants are made for the curvy female form. A woman wearing normal male work pants would have to deal with either the waist of the pants being too big so the hip area accommodates female hips or have those hips squeezed into pants that are very tight in that area to have the waist fit. This is absolutely a case of discrimination for that reason. It's not a style thing, and it is more than just a comfort thing. It is a safety thing. In the OR you are moving quite a bit, you have very low risk in that job of developing a dvt from a poorly fitting uniform. In a job that requires you to sit for hours at a time they are at high risk already for developing dvt, as a health care professional you should be well informed on the risks associated with long periods sitting in 1 position without moving. How many patients have you seen in your career that were admitted for DVT/MI/CVA/PE due to driving long hours with insufficient breaks to move. Combine that major risk factor with poorly fitting uniforms and Walmart is handing them the choice to risk death from these medical emergencies or pay for their own uniforms while male employees do not have to face the same choice

Well said.

Another puts him in his place too:

As someone who used to order scrubs for the nursing students at my former employer, I know for a fact that there are Male, Female, and Unisex style scrubs made by multiple suppliers, like Cherokee and others. You OR probably has unisex scrubs if they all look exactly the same.
Men's scrubs pants are generally narrower in the hips than women's, and thus the discomfort if a real woman was forced to wear men's clothing.

I love how the last comment mentioned "real women", as if she's aware there are men pretending to be women claiming men's clothes work fine for them (well, duh, you're a man!).

There's always one scrote...sigh

I just finished reading all the comments. Just warning you, there are many MRAs in the comments. Majority of them are MRAs.

That's very disappointing. Why would any man get angry over this? They just hate us and want us to be miserable, that's the answer every time. And they're hyper-privileged and extremely catered to and have no idea what it's like to be written out of the world like this to the extent where you don't even get your own clothes!

Back in the day I would have loved to buy men's trousers--they suited my style much better--but wasn't able to wear them. A shame a woman can be so clueless about most women's bodies.

Same. For me, it’s the era of women’s low rise pants. Couldn’t wear men’s pants due to anatomical differences, so I had to quit wearing pants altogether. People gave me grief for wearing skirts everywhere.

LOL I remember that dark time...:) I kept wearing trousers but had to work really hard to find pairs that didn't show my navel (and spent a LOT of money on them whenever I managed to).

Same. They were so tight and cut across the hip bone in the most excruciating place. Pants were physically painful to wear in the 2000s, I was 100% leggings and skirts.

[–] Gladys_Kravitz -5 points Edited

Well if the clothing fits you fine and you're actually a woman, it's not hard to assume it would fit other women as well.

I know it's really really hard for the users here to accept, but not all women are curvy and petite. Some of us are large, tall, fat, and lacking any and all curves.

I know it's really really hard for the users here to accept, but not all women are curvy and petite.

Where the hell are we arguing ALL WOMEN are so and so?

Notice the use of MINORITY and AVERAGE

Sure, Lynn, they may fit YOU better, but you’d be in the minority.

Average sex differences below the waist lead to […]

Guess I'm not a real woman since I don't find men's clothing uncomfortable??

I'm really fucking sick of the idea that all "real women" have curves.

I'm a woman, I don't have curves, what now?

Literally no one said that. Maybe things don't have to be 100% about your own situation and you can listen and empathize with women for whom men's clothing obviously don't fit. Show some solidarity. Come on.

Same here lol. Seriously cannot relate when the women here complain about men's clothes not fitting.

“For female drivers, it is impossible to wear the men’s pants provided by Walmart specifically made to fit only male employees due to anatomical differences between the sexes,”

Whole lot of TERFing going on in that article. Impossible seems like a stretch, but definitely uncomfortable for the majority of women.

I remember trying to buy levi jeans as a teenager, when I complained to staff that I couldn't find a pair to fit they said the women's cut was basically the same as the men's cut. I gave up because there was no way I was putting up with that extra amount of material at the waist. Unbelievable to be expected to do that at work.

My dad would have said that this isn't discrimination because they are offering men and women the same thing - he said something along those lines when we discussed female police officers complaining that their body armour didn't fit a female body. Some people just honestly don't see the issue with man being the standard human and women having to fit in around that.

You just made me realize why I could never find nice jeans that fit me as a teen. They always had a huge waist and you could see straight down my back into my underwear. I used to think I was freakishly malformed and was really paranoid about it for years! All because Levi’s couldn’t be bothered to make pants for women. Disgusting.

Re: your dad, I wonder if he would agree if the "same thing" was female pants for everyone.

[–] PeakyLen 2 points Edited

His logic for the police officers was along the lines of 'well women have demanded to be allowed to do these dangerous roles so they should just accept that the body armour is shaped like that'. He also complained that a women's only jungle trek he read about was discriminatory against men.

Just one of the many subjects we butted heads on over the years.

I get that Walmart doesn't want to launder clothes they aren't responsible for, but they deserve to be hit with a lawsuit for not providing women employees with proper uniforms. That's ridiculous, and I can't believe that the women won't win this. Hopefully, Walmart will settle soon.

I used to work somewhere where they required the women to wear men's polos but women's shorts.

So the polos were always huge, they just went down to Men's Small so smaller women were swimming in them, and they were the type where the shoulder seams were half-way down your bicep.

Now the women's shorts were from the '60s or something. They had like this extreme waist to hip ratio with massive pleats. Even at some other the larger sizes somehow the waist was 26" but it looked like harem pants. So all the women hacked it by looping rubber bands at the closing clasps.

Now, women wanted the men's shorts because they had waists you could breath in (this was a very active job working with animals), but though we were required to wear men's shirts, we were forbidden to wear men's shorts. It was insane.

Additionally the women's shorts were a bit shorter (still long) but I am very tall and mainly legs, so I would be constantly pulled aside for discipline for "altering my uniform." I would show them the industrial seams were still there.