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[โ€“] BlackCirce ๐Ÿ”ฎ๐Ÿ–๐Ÿ–๐Ÿ– 13 points

Itโ€™s best to fight about feminism with other women. With men get them to admit the truth about themselves and take screenshots.

I dont even bother to debate men anymore about feminism because they're never debating in good faith, they're just trying to get a rise out of you and a story to tell their friends about how they "owned" you.

I very much agree. But owning them with logical fallacies is fun and sometimes I find it worth it to logically dismantle them on forums for whatever libfem or antifeminist woman might be passing by and see it. Lol I don't even do it for the men. I do it to help reach more women.

Almost impossible today to share fundamental values, political stances, external criteria with anyone. This thanks to post-modernism, new-ageism, an era of personal solutions, post-feminism, post truth, trans-gender, trans-humanism, virtual reality, historic amnesia, disembodiment, artificial intelligence, cyberian colonialism, atomization, the digitalization of every single thing on earth... rant on, I say... good luck honestly & intelligibly speaking with anyone, let alone with men.

I absolutely agree, very well said. The collapse of a collective culture will be the downfall of the human species, as we are so dependent on our culture for survival.

Four words: all-female mars colony

[โ€“] m0RT_1 12 points Edited

I rather all the dudes went to Mars - we can then set about healing all the violence done to Mother Earth

I agree for the most part, however with logic you can dismantle the bullshit concisely and decisively, and the animals, ourselves, and the planet need that.

Never seek out male feminists.

Any man who claims to be a feminist or a feminist ally is guaranteed to have crafted that identity as leverage to extract what he wants from women. Men who are actual feminist allies, in contrast, demonstrate it through action, not through self-ID.

This is correct. Don't seek them out. They have to prove themselves to you.

This is an excellent post because its inspires one to list the actual principles that we stand on that they refuse to stand on.

1) the biological reality of the sexes

2) (This one is constant from TIMs and male NBs) That sexism against women is rooted in our biology, and that particular sexism still affects most of us to this day (They will flat out deny it, because deep down they are incels with zero understanding of what it is to be female or feminine.)

3) (This one is from MRAs and pro-lifers) Our bodies are not an area where "equal access" must be legislated. We are persons, not public access spaces or low income housing units or welfare. This is such a weird one to untangle, but it really is the root of their beliefs....because they consider us like a public utility, thus, we have no right to say no to their advances, and that if we fail to please them while also "advertising" ourselves that's our fault. There is also an underlying disempowerment that they give to themselves (they make themselves submissive to women in a way, like a really momma boy kind of way) as if we are some evil female public government lording over them that is denying them their rights to use us that "they pay for."

4) The TRA refusal to accept objective speech matters to human rights and scientific progress, and to constantly argue for the use of metaphorical, idiomatic, subjective identities instead of objectively measured facts.

Anyway those are the biggest 4 that I can think of. So many things are all tied under these. Like how men try to deny us our spaces, its related to all of these things.

[โ€“] Texture 0 points Edited

Better yet, recognize that it's a lost cause and move on

Totally agree. But I also just realized that this is good advice for any situation where we have to talk to men (as women), not just for discussing feminism with them. They don't stop manipulating and lying when feminism is off the table again.