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I was wondering if there are any MDs, DOs, PharmDs, or DNPs on this site who would be interested in forming a sort of network for those of us who DO NOT push genderism or transition-based care? I am thinking of founding something like this but I have never tried starting something this big before. I feel like there would actually be a massive number of healthcare providers who might be willing to join such an organization. I guess initially it would be a website pretty much. I was hoping we could also create a directory for parents looking for care for their child that they know won't push them down the medical pathway. I know it requires a lot of bravery for us to take an open stance but I do think this view is common and we need to stop being cowards just because it affects us financially. I am frequently disgusted by the massive breach of ethics and what I view to be the loss of integrity in the medical professions. I took an oath to first do no harm, and I believe the silence of healthcare providers is harmful. For reference, I am in the US, but I don't see why it would need to be limited to a single country. Is anyone interested in this?

I was wondering if there are any MDs, DOs, PharmDs, or DNPs on this site who would be interested in forming a sort of network for those of us who DO NOT push genderism or transition-based care? I am thinking of founding something like this but I have never tried starting something this big before. I feel like there would actually be a massive number of healthcare providers who might be willing to join such an organization. I guess initially it would be a website pretty much. I was hoping we could also create a directory for parents looking for care for their child that they know won't push them down the medical pathway. I know it requires a lot of bravery for us to take an open stance but I do think this view is common and we need to stop being cowards just because it affects us financially. I am frequently disgusted by the massive breach of ethics and what I view to be the loss of integrity in the medical professions. I took an oath to first do no harm, and I believe the silence of healthcare providers is harmful. For reference, I am in the US, but I don't see why it would need to be limited to a single country. Is anyone interested in this?

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Have you checked out SEGM? I think they would be an org that would satisfy many of your aims.

https://segm.org/about_us

So glad to see that organization exists.

But just from a PR/marketing perspective, can SOMEONE please tell the Clinical and Medical Advisors on that page to get new profile pictures?! Some of the photos are good, but a lot of them look like mug shots.

I laughed so hard at this. I think a lot of women in STEM are so unconcerned with appearance that we end up having 'mug shots' for official photos. I'm guilty of this myself, and it isn't on purpose so much that I just didn't take the extra consideration before standing in front of a camera. My ID likewise looks nothing like me and I've had issues at customs when travelling. It's ironic since I feel that women in medicine are scrutinised heavily for not wearing makeup and conforming to professional standards for femininity. I'm a fairly feminine-looking woman (I wear makeup, style my hair etc), in fact I just got catcalled an hour ago walking with my kid, but my photos make me look criminal 😅 I don't know what I'm doing wrong! To make matters worse, my (adoptive) mother was a model. Do you have any idea the pressure I grew up with to make good pictures? And I repeatly fail!

Looking at them now. I had searched for something like this but they didn't come up in search results. Thanks.

I’m in health care as well. I agree with you, this is so unethical. It’s the opioid crisis all over again. Some of us mean well. Others are seeing dollar signs

I feel it's more like lobotomy, given how it targets the mentally ill and LGB kids. I live in an area heavily affected by the opioid crisis and it is heartbreaking. I carry narcan with me in my car because OD is so common. When I was still a student, I was driving with my white coat on and encountered an OD situation. The people on the sidewalk flagged me down thinking I could do something but I couldn't do anything except check breathing, perform cpr, and wait. It sucked that I felt so helpless when they were expecting me to fix him, but the man survived thankfully.

[–] ProxyMusic 10 points Edited

In addition to SEGM, which is US based, there's a group of medical professionals in the UK and Ireland called the Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender or CAN-SAG, and another group called Thoughtful Therapists.

https://can-sg.org/

https://thoughtfultherapists.org/

List of some of the founding members of CAN-SAG here: https://can-sg.org/about-us/

The members of the CAN-SAG I've heard speak and give interviews - David Bell, Angela Dixon, Az Hakeem, Elaine Miller, Stella O'Malley - are all top-notch professionals who know their stuff and are very personable and kind, meaning they'd seem to have a very good "bedside manner" with patients.

Interview with Az Hakeem on Transgender Trend: https://www.transgendertrend.com/interview-az-hakeem/

Az Hakeem's website: http://www.drazhakeem.com/specialist-psychotherapy-for-gender-dysphoria/

I don't think you need to start from scratch reinventing the wheel so to speak. You could get involved with/join one of the already existing organizations/groups and help grow their numbers.

Just came back to add that there's also Gender Health Query, based in the US and Canada, and Our Duty, which is international:

https://www.genderhq.org/about

https://ourduty.group/

Another edit to add: in the USA there's the Kelsey Coalition, named after the woman at the FDA who stopped Thalidomide from being used in the US.

https://genderresourceguide.com/kelsey-coalition/

And of course there's the American College of Pediatricians: https://acpeds.org/

It looks like CAN SG is more along the lines of what I was looking for, with their declaration we can sign. What I was hoping was to find/create something that doctors can become members of, put our names publicly, and that anyone in the public can look to see if they are a member. These are all great resources for information for the public though

[–] ProxyMusic 3 points Edited

I just added some more groups to my earlier post.

BTW, if you start a new organization, my unsolicited advice is to think long and hard about naming it something like "Doctors Against Transition."

First, you'd be narrowing the group's appeal and membership pool by giving it a name that appears to limit it only to doctors. Even most organizations that are mostly for doctors usually go with names that are more "broad church" such as American Medical Association, the Endocrine Society, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association...

There are many health related orgs that are full of medical professionals and which are held in high regard for being experts on health matters with broad church names: American Hearth Association, American Lung Association, Cystic Fibrosis Foundation...

Second, for PR and political reasons, it's usually not a good idea to choose a name that focuses on what an organization/group is against. It's usually better to go with a name that says what an organization is for. Or to choose a name that is vague about the specific purpose/mission because that allows for the original mission to be expanded and fine-tuned over time. Cases in point: Amnesty International, Stonewall, the Audobon Society, National Geographic Society, National Organization for Women... and of course the organizations with thoroughly misleading names that obscure the reality of what they are and what they promote such as the Human Rights Campaign and World Professional Association for Transgender Health.

Of course, some organizations have succeeded with names that focus on what they're against: Anti-Defamation League, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Doctors Against Borders, Vietnam Veterans Against The War .. But generally speaking, my impression has always been that names like American Civil Liberties Union, Everytown USA, Prevention Institute, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, Temperance League, Another Mother For Peace, have more appeal.

Finally, in the case of the kind of org you have in mind, it's advisable to take special care to avoid any name that TRAs can say looks and sounds "anti trans."

Yeah my post title wasn't really so much a name as a concept. I wouldn't name it that because, well then they'd know my account here, right? Not that I worry too much about that but still I'd prefer my media separate from any organisation. Also I mostly care about children, not the entire subject of transitioning, which yes, I still think it's immoral for doctors perform these surgeries, but I can't say I'm that torn up about a 35 year old man taking estrogen. So anything I make, if I do at all, will be child focused.