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I just saw a presentation by a scholar of effective mass movements and gained clarity about the 4 vital aspects of an effective mass movement. Though the presentation and interview were decisively skewed left wing, anyone could use these ideas productively. I would be interested in organizing with others to do precisely that. Here are the 4 points of what effective mass movements do. They:

1 - Assemble large, diverse bases of mass popular participation

2 - Channel that participation into meaningful political pressure, persuasion, and disruption that begins to erode the loyalty of their opponents' pillars of support (pillars like media, businesses, governmental bodies, school boards, etc.)

3 - Don't rely solely on street protest, incorporating tactics like strikes, boycotts, and economic leverage and not cooperating or acting like things are normal/acceptable.

4 - Develop organizational resilience and discipline as opposition against them escalates. Then use any incidents of brutality against them to make the case of their moral superiority before undecided onlookers.

I would add a 5th element, which is to have clear, simple asks that are consistently repeated by all members, with an action path those in power can clearly be confirmed to have taken.

So for example, we might have an ask like: "Make a clear distinction between sex and gender identity, and have all laws use only sex, and never gender identity."

"Make the age of consent for gender identity changes, whether social or medical, the same as the age of consent for drinking alcohol."

Anyone interested?

I just saw a presentation by a scholar of effective mass movements and gained clarity about the 4 vital aspects of an effective mass movement. Though the presentation and interview were decisively skewed left wing, anyone could use these ideas productively. I would be interested in organizing with others to do precisely that. Here are the 4 points of what effective mass movements do. They: 1 - Assemble large, **diverse** bases of mass popular participation 2 - Channel that participation into meaningful political pressure, persuasion, and disruption that begins to erode the loyalty of their opponents' pillars of support (pillars like media, businesses, governmental bodies, school boards, etc.) 3 - Don't rely solely on street protest, incorporating tactics like strikes, boycotts, and economic leverage and not cooperating or acting like things are normal/acceptable. 4 - Develop organizational resilience and discipline as opposition against them escalates. Then use any incidents of brutality against them to make the case of their moral superiority before undecided onlookers. I would add a 5th element, which is to have clear, simple asks that are consistently repeated by all members, with an action path those in power can clearly be confirmed to have taken. So for example, we might have an ask like: "Make a clear distinction between sex and gender identity, and have all laws use only sex, and never gender identity." "Make the age of consent for gender identity changes, whether social or medical, the same as the age of consent for drinking alcohol." Anyone interested?

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This sounds like the woman's movement during the 1970s when women were able to channel participation into meaningful political pressure. There were demonstrations everywhere but most women's rights demonstrations are very small nowadays. My concern is that today the mainstream media in the US won't report any activites that are not obeisant to trans ideology. It sounds very hard to get rolling but it's time.

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So much of the media now has to be alternative media. A lot of gender crit material is surviving on YouTube and with Musk taking over Twitter, expect to see it change there too. He has no relationship with his eldest son, who transed MtF some years ago. He will not be supporting censorship of the GC perspective the way this current leadership there has.

Once it breaks through significantly anywhere, the momentum of peaking will be strong. To know this issue is to become gender critical if you aren't a $& taking advantage of it somehow yourself. Once it has enough critical mass behind it, there will be a mass media flippening.

The mainstream media is in large part controlled by those driving the transgender movement. It wil be very difficult to wrest mainstream media away from the trans ideology but if there is enough momentum, as you say, I hope it would change. Also it seems possible to me that parents and their children, and children of people who have transitioned will hold on tight to the ideology that trans people are not ordinary but are extremely vulnerable and at the same time gifted/superior. There are now but will probably be even more transitioners who will be angry not to have special privileges. I am looking forward to having Musk take over twitter.

Your ideas are great and upbeat and perhaps after the election things will change quickly. From reading Ovarit though I see that many women are focused on personal or their individual confrontations. How do you think that social media like Reddit and Twitter will impact any mass political movements? Wanting and thinking about what will come is a first step but again I have so many concerns because after Covid the world is so different. Right now most women are afraid of speaking up publicly, and many people seem content to fight online but would they join an active bipartisan march or a strike? I want to believe they will.

Watching Kellie-Jay Keen's "let women speak" rallies across the US definitely encourages me that women will come together in person despite adversity. But the numbers showing up are far less than the numbers that actually support what she's saying. I truly think the tide is turning, but right now we're in the trickle stage, not the tidal wave stage.

Yeah, I'm totally interested 😀! But I'm wondering what form this would take... like a new political party or an organisation? Assembling a large diverse base sounds good but I think it might be difficult to keep it together and avoid factionalism.

I'm thinking of just organizing into local pods. Helping women find each other nearby so that they can coordinate local activity (even just calls/letter writing to local elected officials en masse) and provide each other with social sanity support. Meeting for tea with like minded women is a powerful aspect of activism.

I'm thinking it might be linking existing groups. I'm pro-choice, but I think a lot can be learned from how the anti-abortion/pro-life movement worked in the US. There were coalitions of people who agreed on that one issue who worked together in every state, playing a long game that had many levels. You saw people working to change state laws even though federal law meant nothing would change on the ground... until the SCOTUS reversed course in an unprecedented move. There was also work by many parties to create that SCOTUS, much of it in the Senate but also the presidency. It took them decades, but they did it.

I hope it won't take nearly as long to put a stop to this before it becomes federal law needing reversal. But the basic idea of uniting across political divides I think is key. That diversity means you can't easily be dismissed as a partisan group, the way TRAPs (trans rights activist pedos) are always trying to do, calling everyone bigots just for disagreeing with them.

I agree that action should be across party lines but I'm struggling with how to get people who are somewhat informed and sympathetic to these issues to "come out of the closet". I think a lot of complacent people in power are not going to jump off the trans-train voluntarily until they see that it's not such a safe ride. Others are so busy with other priorities that they just see the trans issue as an opportunity to "be nice" and "open-minded" to defend civil liberties and human rights.... la la la la .....

I think you're spot on. The reality is, most people are 'Good Germans.' They play it safe, even if it means allowing atrocities to be committed in their names. Only once it's clear that the worm has turned will they switch sides. But those of us willing to fight for the good simply because it is good, even when it is unpopular, we benefit from finding each other. On here is great, but would be nice to be able to organize at a local level across the nation (pods) and get things done offline.

This is excellent! Yes, this is a great 'ask' to get behind. The only problem is that every single co-sponsor is Republican, which makes it fall into the polarization plaguing our government. We need to get people on both left and right working together, or good ideas just get dismissed as bigotry.

All the same, I'll write my Dem. Congressman to ask him to support it, but he didn't run for re-election so I somehow doubt he will make his final term anything that risks his standing and legacy in the party without giving him any chance of seeing it through into law next year.

he didn't run for re-election

That's even better! That means you have no incumbents on the ballot and a more competitive election than if there were. Write to all of the candidates and ask them if they will support it if they are elected. Dems aren't going to drop this unless they know they are losing votes and why.

You could also look into supporting the Green Alliance for Sex-Based Rights

Thanks for posting this link. I am not a Green party voter, but I think it is incredibly admirable how this group has set itself up as an alternative for disaffected green party members. Perhaps it could be a template for other political persuasions to do the same. I especially liked the text on their site refuting the idea that questioning gender ideology somehow defines you politically and relegates you to the status of a bigot. I would be super keen to know if there are any dissenting green voices in any European countries...

Thanks. This is the first I'm hearing of it. I can't say that 'Green' has been one of my top issues I've been involved with, but if overall I align with them, I certainly don't mind them having a different order of priorities than me. I will definitely look deeper. Thanks again for sharing it.

What does "skewed left wing" mean? What do you mean by "left"?

Ovarit folks are going to get tired of me continually pointing this out, but I see a lot of lazy knee-jerking about "left" versus "right" in social-media discourse, like people think the left and the right are parties. None of them can seem to explain why so many "leftists" sound like right-wing atheists, either.

I mean the context it was presented in was decidedly progressive, not conservative. It was a week ago now, but my recollection is that they were talking about the Jan. 6 insurrection, and were clearly anti-trump and derisive of his supporters. But they made some good fundamental points about how change happens, even if on the gender issue I would not like to see more 'progressive' change. I think there's been a bit too much 'open-mindedness' on this issue.