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Welcome to Ovarit! This project was started after Reddit began purging feminist communities and women-only communities without warning or explanation. You can read our story here.

If you've come here due to the piece in The Atlantic, please read our rebuttal.

I'm posting our About page below. If you haven't read it, please do. We wrote this before we launched because we wanted to be as clear as possible about what this site is and what it is not, so everyone would know what they were signing up for when they joined the site.

Additionally, please read the Sitewide Rules and Sitewide Guidelines. The Sitewide Rules apply everywhere on the site. Moderators of different circles can decide if the Sitewide Guidelines are enforced in their circles or if they do not apply, and they can also make additional rules specific to their circles. If you see content that breaks the rules, please report it! We appreciate it very much. There is a 'report' button in the button list under every post and comment.

Circles are semi-autonomous communities, with different norms, moderators, and community members – circles are not just topic categories. Please double check the rules of a circle before posting to it. You can view a circle directory here.

Feel free to introduce yourself or ask the admins questions below!


About Ovarit

Mission

Ovarit is a project committed to women’s liberation that provides a platform for women-centered communities.

Women have the right to discuss issues which affect us. Public discourse now largely takes place online, but online conversation platforms are increasingly restricting the bounds of “permissible” speech and banning, silencing, and otherwise deplatforming women who want to talk about women’s rights and women’s issues on our own terms.

A world where women cannot discuss topics impacting our rights is a world where women cannot preserve or advocate for our rights.

Ovarit is run by a team of radical feminist women dedicated to safeguarding women’s ability to have community with other women and speak freely about issues that matter to us as individuals and as a class. We created this space because we, like those who seek to silence us, understand the power of women's voices and experiences. We are here to make sure they are heard.

The Ovarit community is made up of a broader group of people. Ovarit is open to women of all persuasions. Men are allowed to join some conversations, but must respect boundaries. This corner of the internet is one of increasingly few places, real or virtual, unapologetically dedicated to prioritizing and centering women.

While many of our subcommunities (called circles) are explicitly feminist, others are simply about topics that are relevant to women, and are not overtly political except to the extent that women's existence has been politicized.

Our Sitewide Rules and Sitewide Guidelines exist to help make this a positive community for women that also uplifts women as a class.

Welcome to Ovarit! This project was started after Reddit began purging feminist communities and women-only communities without warning or explanation. You can read our story [here](https://www.ovarit.com/o/Announcements/135/welcome-back). ##[If you've come here due to the piece in The Atlantic, please read our rebuttal.](https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/12170/the-secret-internet-of-terfs-a-rebuttal-from-ovarit) I'm posting our About page below. If you haven't read it, please do. We wrote this before we launched because we wanted to be as clear as possible about what this site is and what it is not, so everyone would know what they were signing up for when they joined the site. Additionally, please read the [Sitewide Rules](/wiki/rules) and [Sitewide Guidelines](/wiki/guidelines). The Sitewide Rules apply everywhere on the site. Moderators of different circles can decide if the Sitewide Guidelines are enforced in their circles or if they do not apply, and they can also make additional rules specific to their circles. **If you see content that breaks the rules, please report it! We appreciate it very much.** There is a 'report' button in the button list under every post and comment. Circles are semi-autonomous communities, with different norms, moderators, and community members – circles are not just topic categories. Please double check the rules of a circle before posting to it. You can view a [circle directory here](https://www.ovarit.com/o/Ovarit/7059/a-circle-directory). Feel free to introduce yourself or ask the admins questions below! ----- #About Ovarit ##Mission **Ovarit is a project committed to women’s liberation that provides a platform for women-centered communities.** Women have the right to discuss issues which affect us. Public discourse now largely takes place online, but online conversation platforms are increasingly restricting the bounds of “permissible” speech and banning, silencing, and otherwise deplatforming women who want to talk about women’s rights and women’s issues on our own terms. A world where women cannot discuss topics impacting our rights is a world where women cannot preserve or advocate for our rights. Ovarit is run by a team of radical feminist women dedicated to safeguarding women’s ability to have community with other women and speak freely about issues that matter to us as individuals and as a class. We created this space because we, like those who seek to silence us, understand the power of women's voices and experiences. We are here to make sure they are heard. The Ovarit community is made up of a broader group of people. Ovarit is open to women of all persuasions. Men are allowed to join some conversations, but must respect boundaries. This corner of the internet is one of increasingly few places, real or virtual, unapologetically dedicated to prioritizing and centering women. While many of our subcommunities (called circles) are explicitly feminist, others are simply about topics that are relevant to women, and are not overtly political except to the extent that women's existence has been politicized. Our [Sitewide Rules](/wiki/rules) and [Sitewide Guidelines](/wiki/guidelines) exist to help make this a positive community for women that also uplifts women as a class.

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[–] galil_gal 93 points (+97|-4)

Hi all I'm new here. I'm a leftist (class-first but not exclusively) woman who is skeptical of the more extreme forms of trans advocacy. Used to lurk GC before it got banned. I saw the Atlantic hit piece on this site and read the full email exchange that was posted in response to it and that's what got me interested in joining here! The exchange was very reasonable and persuasive and it's horrible to see how badly it was twisted by media with an agenda.

I like FOSS (I use Linux on my PC) so I appreciate that this project is not just a response to the silencing of women's spaces on mainstream social media like reddit, but also uses FOSS itself to help further the preservation of an open and censorship-free internet.

I also like guns (you can probably tell from my username!) and I think along with free speech, gun ownership rights should be preserved and protected for all people but especially for women. Women have the most need of firearm ownership to equalize our ability to defend ourselves from threats that exist for many of us in our day-to-day lives.

Glad to be back in a woman friendly space again; stupidpol on reddit is good for class-focused leftist discussion but it's a male-dominated space (like 90% male) and comes with the caveats that are sometimes expected in such spaces. I hope to have good women and class focused discussions here.

[–] MyBodyMyself 53 points (+53|-0)

I could have written this myself truly — except for the bit about the guns... (I lost a close friend a long time ago to gun violence), but how you came by Ovarit was very similar to my finding it...in that I spotted the hit piece at The Atlantic and then read through the actual email exchanges for the interviews and could easily see how distorted that article was and I decided to join. I’ve been finding such bias increasingly frustrating and counterproductive, but also stifling to any sense of free speech. The article seemed to carry a hidden warning: “don’t believe women” (or don’t believe women who engage in wrong-think)— and yea, I decided I’m “Ovarit”!

I’ve not dipped a toe in very much over on Reddit, but I’ve seen the extreme character assassination for anyone who claims that biological sex is real (like JK Rowlingand erm... scientists and doctors...🙄) and I felt confused and bewildered how TRA’s agenda became entangled with recent protests over police brutality and BLM.

Having been unable to speak freely in other spaces though, I felt very stifled and muzzled — having been through Twitter mob pile-ons that were so bad that I ended up deleting my only account of many years and starting a new anonymous one where I’m careful not to let my identity be known snd I thought, “is this really where we are right now? That ordinary women have to be shy about expressing opinions or even verifiable facts without being bludgeoned by those who wish to silence us? After all the progress for equal rights, it just seems so profoundly unfair and unjust — particularly when women’s rights activists get branded as “transphobic” for pointing out mere scientific facts and when women are increasingly dehumanized in medical literature and even in pamphlets handed out by doctors in the name of “inclusion” (eg womb-haver or menstruator and other awkward phrases that refuse to call us women anymore) — it just seems like a giant step backwards for women’s rights. At this point, it feels like the only people who are allowed to call themselves women are trans-women. That seems oddly misogynistic really — especially with all the ire directed at lesbians who have a dating preference for other women — calling them ‘TERF’ and issuing threats just seems barbaric really when most of the time, what I’m seeing is simply a woman saying she wants to have the right to choose who she dates and what she herself allowed to be called. Oh well... I could probably go on for ages... it’s my first posting here.

[–] remove-the-veil 17 points (+17|-0)

Thank you for sharing --- makes me so happy that you found us! Hope you don't feel so alone anymore. <3

[–] feralfeminist 6 points (+7|-1)

I lost my youngest brother to a gun accident. I don't hate the gun, I hate that he was drinking at the time and not being careful. I won't tell you how to feel, just wanted to point out that when stuff like this happens there's usually a (thinking or not) human brain behind the incident and someone who actually made it happen, and personally that's who I'd rather be angry at/ afraid of.

[–] rosaspinanglica 5 points (+5|-0)

So sorry you lost your little brother, especially in that sudden way. I hope your family is doing ok.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 39 points (+40|-1)

Welcome! I disagree about the utility of guns for safety but enjoy shooting them from time to time. Also fascinated by their mechanisms as an engineer.

You'll find good conversation here with fewer men to muck up the works with their tendencies to be testerical.

[–] feralfeminist 11 points (+13|-2)

I think the gun is a fantastic force equalizer. I kind of look askance at people pointing out that a gun in the household of an abused woman increases the chances of her being killed -- she's in an abusive household and the man, not the gun, is the problem. And I suspect most of the "problem guns" are actually owned by the abusive men in the first place, yet another reason we need to work harder to make it safer for abused women to escape. That, after all, is the most vulnerable time for an abused woman, and the riskiest time.

All that said, it's not a toy. If you're going to own a gun, get training too.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 19 points (+21|-2)

I think the gun is a fantastic force equalizer.

This is an overly simplified view of self defense and physical protection. Without the right mindset, training, and physical strength and physical agility to retain your weapon, any weapon can be used against you. This includes your own body; there are chokeholds in martial arts that use the person's own limbs to cut off their own circulation and knock them out (or kill them). This is equally true for men and women and plenty of data shows that guns are almost never successfully used to defend oneself, only as tools of aggression. Aggressors succeed with guns much more often than defenders do. Think of school shooters and hostage situations. At Parkland, a security guard with a gun was on the scene, and he left/failed to stop the shooter because he didn't have the mindset (or training) to carry out a defensive position. Turn that around, and many violent men with guns have been stopped by being tackled or threatened or evaded by everyday people without a gun or other weapon. Mindset matters more than guns.

Abused women are killed by guns because their husbands are aggressors. This is going to be true across the board, in almost every self defense situation. Aggressors have the element of surprise, the upper hand of being able to decide when and how the attack will happen, so that it favors them. And the aggressor situation is true even when the woman is doing the killing. I found out a few months ago that a distant relative of mine killed her husband, who was a [probably dirty] cop with his service revolver when he had returned home from his shift and was eating at the dining room table. Shot him in the back of the head. Then she went into the bedroom and shot herself. The husband's gun didn't save him because the wife was the one who decided when and how to kill him with it. And she didn't fully have the right mindset for it (or the right social conditions at the time), so she then went and killed herself; she did not survive what was likely an act of extended self defense.

You can't hold up guns that way, it doesn't check out.

[–] remquarqk 33 points (+34|-1)

stupidpol on reddit is good for class-focused leftist discussion but it's a male-dominated space (like 90% male) and comes with the caveats that are sometimes expected in such spaces.

After finding that sub yesterday, I spent a long time reading different threads in that sub and noticed the same. Some great, unfiltered discussions there, however the insistence that radfems were also idpol from some male users was really infuriating to read over and over again. One of the many reasons I'm thankful this space exists to counter the black/white male opinions. Welcome!

[–] BlueMug 30 points (+33|-3)

Stupidpol is nice until you scroll to the comments. can't find one post relating to women that isn't at least 25% "would smash", "show t*ts", etc, etc. it's comprised of a lot of men thinking they're geniuses. I still linger for some reminding that the whole planet hasn't drowned in the sea of identity politics but for a sub who thinks they're the only ones that aren't cringe... they can be pretty cringe.

[–] remove-the-veil 18 points (+18|-0) Edited

I was having a great time scrolling through the comments on a post until I saw one where some dude was complaining about gender critical women because we 'hate men so fucking much'.

Yes! It's hilarious that they're like 'we're all about serious, MATERIALIST analysis,' but can't seem to grasp the very basic point that women are oppressed on the basis of their physical reproductive capacities. Like...the global oppression of girls and women isn't 'idpol,' guys.

[–] feralfeminist 18 points (+18|-0)

And "woman" isn't an identity, either. I no more identify as a woman than I identify as a human being.

[–] hmimperialtortie 14 points (+14|-0)

I just had an image of Marx and Engels rolling their eyes SO hard ...

[–] MakeThatDough 14 points (+14|-0) Edited

I sure wish I had gun access when I was raped on two different occasions in my sleep [edit: by men, for any young-minded and/or ignorant readers [i.e. men, TIMs, TIFs in denial]. There'd be more oxygen for us women. Welcome!

[–] herazade 6 points (+6|-0)

Hi and welcome! I lurked on r/GC for a while too! And I also like to shoot/own guns for the same reason. When I studied martial arts under a women black belt who had been a cop, I asked her what was best form of martial arts for women. Without hesitation she said, none. Unless you get really lucky an average man (untrained) will always win the fight, they are just that much stronger. If you want to really defend yourself, get a dog and pistol, learn to shoot. I'm no Annie Oakley, but I train regularly. That was a real wake up call. Anyway... The discussions here are great.

[–] Bubbletea 2 points (+2|-0)

what was best form of martial arts for women. Without hesitation she said, none. Unless you get really lucky an average man (untrained) will always win the fight, they are just that much stronger.

Well that's depressing :/

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[–] BurnBooker 84 points (+84|-0)

Welcome, welcome! I was a devout little liberal feminist until curiosity got the better of me and I decided to lurk on those rotten terves. Turns out they were asking the same questions I've been surpressing for years...

[–] assignedcopatbirth 66 points (+66|-0)

Same! I lurked the GC sub to see how evil and nasty these mythical TERFs were - then I realised they made a lot more sense than the libfem apologetics I'd been subscribing to for years 😂

[–] BurnBooker 23 points (+23|-0) Edited

I was a reader of everyday feminism and Jezebel for years, never questioning the quality of content they were creating while owned by tech conglomerates. And Vice? VICE?? I'm sorry but I remember 2008 Vice Magazine and it's rampant misogyny. Maybe they need to be cancelled for decade old content.

[–] MakeThatDough 15 points (+16|-1)

yes, Vice is for boys. Broadly is for boys. All of it, boy stuff.

[–] Ellie 78 points (+78|-0)

Hi all,

I'm from the UK and joined yesterday after seeing the blatant misrepresentation of GC women in The Atlantic. I've been on this topic quite vociferously on Twitter for some time now under the handle 'here's the thing' but very few people know who I really am, unlike on Facebook where I've been careful how I express my position. After one post on JKR's abuse, I came up against friends and family immediately and one old family friend blocked me for pointing it out on a post she shared calling her transphobic (somewhat sardonically I confess, but an old friend who I lodged with in my younger years should be able to cope).

Facebook made me realise what I was up against. My parents are largely in agreement, but my aunt won't talk to us about it because she doesn't want to 'fall out'. Again, a wake up call as to where we're at; how polarising and divisive it is. It's worse than Brexit! Anyone in the UK will know what I mean by that and the gravitas of the statement. So my safe space has been Twitter and then I joined WHRC; a group of radfems who meet weekly online and listen to women from around the world talk about how gender ideology is affecting them and other topics about male domination.

I've always believed myself to be a feminist because I'm a natural egalitarian and therefore also a socialist. I believe all people should be treated with equal respect and given a level playing field to work from, no matter sex, race, class etc. I never thought myself a radfem because I think subconsciously I didn't think I needed to, as with many younger women. I grew up on the tail end of 2nd wave feminism and experienced the casual misogyny and sexual harassment of women in the late 70s - 80s, but I also experienced the changes in the 90s and made the mistake of thinking it was a done deal. I also never thought myself GC; I was largely supportive of people being whatever they wanted to be and dressing how they pleased (ta JKR), so I thought myself gender accepting, as in accepting all gender presentations, whether non conforming or stereotypical.

I still don't class myself as particularly radical, but I realise it's going to take radical action to turn this mess around, or at least get our concerns on the table with politicians and organisations who've all drunk the gender Kool Aid. I also needed to speed learn what radical feminism is and how important it has been historically when it comes to recognising sexism and misogyny, so that I can recognise these traits in the current iteration.

I now class myself as GC in the sense that I'm skeptical about how gender ideology presents itself as a liberating force, whereas in actual fact it captures stereotypes and sustains quite rigid presentations of the sexes because to me, the point of non conformity is to not be defined by something. This current movement holds people to ransom! It's authoritarian and oppressive!

The most vulnerable are the young who are insecure and impressionable with a desperate need to belong and identify with a crowd, even though they think they're being an individualist. We've all been there! The difference is we didn't make demands on the rest of the world to validate us. We didn't expect dysmorphia to be treated as a reality. I grew up around anorexia and other eating disorders and the last thing we'd have done is validate the illness with a diet.

Lastly this mess has rendered me politically homeless as a naturally left leaning person. ALL our left leaning parties have lost the plot! I have also come to realise how utterly intolerant of others' opinions many left leaning thinkers are. So, I don't know what I'll do come the next election. That is going to require one hell of a lot of soul searching.

I'm so pleased there's another place to come and feel the freedom to be able to express oneself, whether we agree about everything or not. We've lost the ability to talk, to debate and to hearing other opinions. No person nor society learns when they refuse to listen to others' opinions that differ from their own. The current climate of inTRANSigence puts us in a very dark place!

I hope that through these groups we can also find actionable ways that help us to reclaim and maintain necessary protection for women and girls primarily, but for all of us ultimately, because where females are more oppressed, society is more oppressed and it stifles the ability of humans to create a safer equitable world.

[–] Ethology 22 points (+23|-1) Edited

Thanks for sharing your story. A lot of us here feel politically homeless and use that phrase often.

I personally refused to vote for Joe Biden because he's the anti-woman/pro-men in dresses candidate. This election was a shit show regardless of who won, but I did not feel the sigh of relief that many seem to feel when his victory was announced. I am very concerned with women's rights being obliterated by the upcoming administration, and Nancy Pelosi signing off on it doesn't help at all.

[–] bellatrixbells 23 points (+23|-0)

Ugh, Pelosi ! I loved her so much during the impeachment procedures, I was dumbstruck to find out that she had penned the anti-women sports policy that led to high school girls losing opportunities.

Same with Warren. How can you bring up the fact that little girls don't have a woman president to look up to while at the same time fighting for the rights of males to take away our opportunities as long as they claim to be us ???

[–] Ethology 25 points (+26|-1)

Follow the money.

I really have never liked Nancy Pelosi, for the same reason I don't really like any out of touch old rich person really. They just don't make good representatives of the average American. Their money buys them power and immunity that people, especially vulnerable poverty-stricken women and girls, don't have.

[–] HarpyMarx 9 points (+9|-0)

Warren’s ham-handed attempts at wokeness turned me off her.

[–] Ellie 18 points (+18|-0)

Yes, there are many parallels between the US and the UK currently, except we still have a thatch haired philandering egocentric compulsive liar running our country. Yet the opposition doesn't bode well either. I want to cry!

[–] Ellie 3 points (+3|-0)

It is a tough one, as Biden feels like a saner option, but yes he's drunk the trans Kool Aid!

[–] SulphuricMirror 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I'm reading this really late (sorry, I needed to take a break over Christmas for my sanity), but I just want to tell you in case you haven't already come across this info, it's a mistake a lot of people make (and it was a mistake in the article as well) with radical feminism, which is: to believe that it's radical as in extremist or something, but rather it's 'radical' as in the Latin word radix, which means the root, source, or origin of something. So, radical feminism simply means "getting to the root of female oppression", something most critics of radical feminism fail to realize since they don't even bother to look up the origin and meaning of the phrase. So, it's not about whether you consider yourself radical, like that stupid misogynist propaganda piece framed it, but rather it's about whether you want to #nametheproblem with regard to the fight for women's rights.

Forgot to add, glad that you're here! :D

[–] yikesforever 66 points (+66|-0)

It's a great place to talk about the things that make you uncomfortable as a woman, instead of just pretending you're okay with everything.

[–] flickumbicus 59 points (+59|-0)

Been here a while, but I needed a break from anything and everything that wasn't me zoning out to some tv or video game. After reading that pile of crap called an "article" in the now questionable "Atlantic" I decided I needed to come back. Thanks for being here. Also, had no idea that Fain was involved with this site as well. I still have my monthly sub going over on Spinster, though I haven't logged in for a while. I think I'll start making time again. I was a heavy user of GC over on Reddit, albiet under a different handle, and I'm in the Discord as well... under a different handle. Maybe I ought to unify, but diversification seems safer, sadly.

Anyway, I'm really glad this place is here, and if you set up a sub type thing were we can donate like over on Spinster, I'm in.

[–] remquarqk 9 points (+9|-0)

I think diversification makes sense. I do it too. Maybe for the users who are already "out" it doesn't matter as much.

[–] elphaba 1 points (+1|-0)

Oh, is there an official Discord server for r/GC? I'm in a few but can always use more.

[–] MallHair 56 points (+56|-0) Edited

I registered a couple of days ago and I've noticed a very "early internet" vibe here if that makes any sense to anyone.

I don't even really know how to explain it, but it's a feeling I haven't had in ages. I can't say it's based on the content because my early internet years were spend taking purity tests and reading hilarious lists on Yahoo rather than becoming even remotely informed or interesting; I think it might be more a sense of excitement/comraderie?

great there i go jinxing the internet again ugh

[–] bellatrixbells 35 points (+35|-0)

I was pretty active on IMDb almost twenty years ago and I find the vibe here is kind of similar. I think it's because we're all pretty much anonymous and just want to chat and discuss stuff we wish to discuss.

Social media had long become a cesspool of algorithms that feed you stuff to piss you off with just about anyone who feels like chiming in. It's hard to have a discussion that doesn't end in a dogpile. It's not like that here, I think that's what might feel "old school internet".

[–] Verdandi 32 points (+32|-0)

It's a refreshing lack of avatars, profile pics, bios, etc. It's all about the conversation instead of creating an online persona, like every social media site out there (especially reddit nowadays, holy shit, remember when reddit didn't even have comments?!)

[–] MakeThatDough 8 points (+8|-0)

before facial recognition, insane algorithms, advertisements galore

[–] remove-the-veil 26 points (+26|-0)

That's lovely observation -- as someone who misses the 'early internet' days, I have to agree. It does have a similar vibe!

[–] ANotSoOldLady 55 points (+55|-0)

Hi everyone ! I'm new here, a little French radfem! I am a student of art and law (but I am very bad at law). I started my "activism" the day when, around 13 years old, my best friend told me that she was a lesbian, and that I saw what lesbophobia everywhere. I'm straight but I was very supportive, I wore rainbow pines, and I yelled at every homophobics I came across. Unfortunately I no longer speak with this friend because her girlfriend found that I took up too much space in her life ... And the business school that she did made her a whole different person. Anyway. So from very early on, I was sensitive to lesbophobia. When I was in high school I was friends with other lesbians. And it was when I got into higher education, in art school, that I met the first woman who called herself trans. I immediately had a lot of questions that I didn't dare ask ... Then more and more women (lesbians or not but definitely "gender non conforming") during the year came out trans... And there I really started to search about what transidentity was. And I hated everything I found on the internet ..! Questionnaires like "If tomorrow you woke up in a man's body, would you be happy?" OF COURSE THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY I WOULD NO LONGER LIVE SEXISM! I was following a very famous "trans woman" in France on instagram (@aggressively_trans), and it was the day when this person sent his followers to harass a woman who had made a post about vagina, that I understood that there was a problem ... And since then I read everything I can find on abolitionism, on transgenderism, and on patriarchy! I was canceled in my art school, had graffiti done on the women's toilets for me "Hang the Terf". People at my school have stopped talking to me but I have met some amazing radfems women on network and today I am very happy and proud of my opinions!

Btw: Yall are heroines and I'm grateful for all the radfems I've come across in my life!

[–] Eriomra 25 points (+25|-0) Edited

Welcome here! We're a couple of french radfem here and on Spinster, it's good to see more of us! It is horrible the harassement you suffered in your art school. For a while, I thought we were free from all of this shit in France, but it seems it has caught up... I hope you will be fine.

I'm following Marguerite Stern also, a very inspiring french radfem, the one who came up with the collages on féminicides, and who is harrassed a lot by TRAs (and islamists apparently). Juste pour donner son nom, si tu ne la connais pas déjà !

[–] ANotSoOldLady 13 points (+13|-0)

Oh yeeeeah Marguerite, she is amazing! I bought his book "Heroine of the Street" recently and I even have an autograph !

[–] bellatrixbells 12 points (+12|-0)

J'en reviens pas du culot des jeunes femmes qui essayent d'approprier ce hashtag pour faire référence à des hommes qui se revendiquent femmes !!!

Combien de mecs en robes se sont fait tuer par leur partenaire cette année en France, versus combien de vraies femmes ? Vous savez, celles qui n'ont pas besoin de faire semblant qu'elles se font battre et assassiner ?

Et les islamistes... Qu'est-ce qu'ils ont, ils se sentent visés quand on parle de tuer sa femme ? 🤔 Si le chapeau leur fait...

[–] Lafaillite 10 points (+10|-0)

Hi fellow French radfem, I'm not the poster you're replying to but wanted to say hi and thank you for the info on Marguerite Stern.

[–] Eriomra 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

Hello compatriote !

Cool pour Marguerite Stern ! C’est une radfem sur Spinster qui me l’a fait découvrir, et je suis tombée amoureuse depuis, alors je prêche la bonne parole haha. Je te conseillerais même d’acheter son livre, Héroïnes de la Rue, qui décrit son parcours, c’est inspirant et passionnant.

[–] MakeThatDough 5 points (+7|-2) Edited

I love your Franglish "it seems it has catch up" :-p... it's "it seems it has caught up", but I hope you don't hate me. I always correct foreigners because I hope they will correct me when I speak another language!

[–] Eriomra 8 points (+8|-0)

Ahaha thank you!! No native speaker ever corrects me, it is infuriating, so I do like it when someone points out my mistakes! Looks like here it’s more bad grammar than franglish 😂

[–] bellatrixbells 7 points (+8|-1)

J'ai l'impression que la tendance encore très chauvine et sexiste dans la culture française fait en sorte que les "alliées" Françaises sont particulièrement agressives. J'aurais voulu croire qu'au pays d'Olympe de Gouges et Simone de Beauvoir on aurait plus de respect pour les féministes, mais l'obsession que je vois chez les jeunes femmes qui lancent des "dEs SiStErS, pAs dEs CiStErF" à qui mieux mieux en essayant de faire en sort que les mouvements contre les fémicides centrent des hommes qui s'identifient comme femmes, dont le taux de mortalité est quasi nul alors que les vraies femmes se font battre à mort apr leurs mecs... Ça me décourage.

À croire que la misogynie internalisée des françaises est loin d'être vaincue elle aussi.

[–] Eriomra 4 points (+4|-0)

Oui, je suis vraiment étonnée de voir des féministes françaises si impliquées dans la rhétorique TRA. Moi qui pensais qu’on avait plus de bon sens haha. J’espère encore que la population générale reste raisonnable...

[–] bellatrixbells 3 points (+3|-0)

Je l'espère aussi. Comme ailleurs, ironiquement, on risque d'être aidées par les chauvins dans ce combat-là... dès que les mecs misogynes et homophobes vont réaliser qu'ils pourraient être dupés par un mec à perruque et pas pouvoir dire non, ils vont probablement nous aider sans le vouloir.

[–] chaelili 1 points (+1|-0)

Contente de voir d’autres françaises ici. J’ai été choquée de me rendre compte de combien de femmes et jeunes filles autour de moi sont prêtes à attaquer d’autres femmes sur internet pour défendre la cause des trans, de nos jours tu peux te faire attaquer tout simplement parce que tu as osé poser une question valide. Quand je vois des jeunes filles lesbiennes, qui sont sûrement encore en train de découvrir leur propre sexualité, se laisser convaincre que c’est mal si elles ne sont pas ouvertes à avoir des relations sexuelles avec une « femme trans », ça me fait très peur. C’est vraiment dangereux, très pervers et malsain. Moi quand j’entends “si tu es attiré par quelqu’un et décide de ne plus vouloir continuer une relation avec eux parce que tu découvres qu’ils sont trans, tu es une saleté de transphobe” moi j’entends le même discours que les violeurs qui pensent qu’on ne peut pas ne plus être consentante pendant l’acte. La violence des propos que subissent les femmes lesbiennes sur des plateformes comme Twitter si elles osent mentionner leur préférence pour les femmes « cisgenre » (mon dieu que je déteste cette expression, pourquoi avons-nous besoin de changer notre appellation, nous ne sommes pas confuses, nous) est très inquiétantes. C’est une guerre contre les femmes. Il faut arrêter ça avant que ça soit trop tard.

[–] ANotSoOldLady 3 points (+3|-0)

Exactement. Quand on me sort que j'ai du sang sur les mains parce que je dis que la transidentité est profondément misogyne j'ai envie d'exploser.

[–] MakeThatDough 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

Wow, that sounds AFFREUX. I can't even imagine going to art-college during this time. Must've SUUUUCKKKKKED to not speak your mind. Fuck this time period. Make art in your apartment, have people over after COVID to critique it, and be rich and happy.

[–] ANotSoOldLady 3 points (+3|-0)

I quickly ran away with my diploma in my pocket and being major of promotion! The more I integrated my feminist convictions into my artwork, the more I felt that everyone was turning their backs on me except two or three professors ...

[–] EternaEspiral 0 points (+0|-0)

Hey, bonjour ! Je viens juste de lire ton post et je voulais juste te dire que test trop forte, ça doit être l'enfer ans une école d'art... Rejoins nous sur Spinster aussi :)

[–] Boudicaea 45 points (+45|-0)

Welcome, newbies! Always glad to see new likeminded women on here.

[–] chaelili 45 points (+47|-2)

Hi. I have registered here just a few minimum ago haha so I am very confused with the way the site works but I’ll probably figure it out soon enough

I learned about the forum from another girl so thank you. I identify as a conservative feminist, I believe in women’s rights and I think the trans movement is gonna set us back hundreds of years especially us women of color. I do not have any other female friends in my life who agrees and I seriously feel gaslit about this topic so I’m happy to find that there are safe spaces for us on the internet.

Happy to be here

[–] SilkySquid 20 points (+21|-1)

Welcome! :) I think there's a lot of really concrete issues conservatives and liberals (well, gender critical liberals) can join together on for women's rights at the moment. Although I'd guess most women on Ovarit are liberal, we really appreciated Senator Kelly Loeffler's bill to protect Title IX rights for girls and women (I wrote to my senators asking them to support it). It's still in committee.

[–] Elegantissima 4 points (+4|-0)

I'd like to say this about that Title IX bill: I think the timing and source of its introduction makes this bill a Trojan Horse.

Tulsi Gabbard has also recently introduced a bill on this subject. So my immediate question on both bills was: Why Loeffler? Why Gabbard? Loeffler is definitely not a feminist, much less a radical feminist, so what does she care what happens to women? They both appear to be owned by toxic money. So far as I can tell, that money is coming from Putin. And Putin HATES women. So would he why have them do this?

Today I read in USAToday that the previous bill (Leoffler's?) never came to a vote. And I realized, "Aha!" That's the point. Putin is hoping Dems will hold a vote on Gabbard's bill because it's been introduced by a Dem, and in the chaos of the Trump lameduck period he can count on Dems not to research the repercussions for girls and women. They'll automatically vote the way mainstream liberal zeitgeist tells them to: NO. And it will go on the record that Dems are against protecting girls and women under Title IX.

So I hope it doesn't come to a vote now. It needs to wait until after January 20th, when our Dem Representatives have time and energy to do their research and pay attention to our calls to UPHOLD protections for girls and women. If they stop to think it through at all, they'll remember that women and girls are still quite badly oppressed--in fact, still the largest oppressed demographic in human history, by an almost incalculable factor.

[–] SilkySquid 4 points (+4|-0)

Only the Senate bill has a slight chance of coming to a vote, IMO, so long as Republicans control the Senate. (I have written my representative about Tulsi's bill, however, despite thinking it will never come to a vote - representatives need to know we care.)

I think it's a stretch to say it's from Putin, without any evidence in this instance, when any Republican with even the most basic strategic awareness could come up with the idea to pressure Democrats on this (and Tulsi has been clearly eyeing something with Republicans and has always sought attention). It's going to take more bills and national attention before Democrats will change their mind on this. Males in female sports was part of Biden's platform he ran on, for goodness sake... they're not going to abandon it without a lot of pushback from people! If Democrats are against protecting Title IX rights for females, they deserve to be on the record for it so we know who to support in primaries for 2022. Of course, they won't do that - they're for gutting Title IX, but they're too gutless to get on the record and individually admit that, so they will not let it come to a vote in the House.

And yes, it's not radical feminists introducing these bills. They saw we had a position that was very reality-based and resonates with the majority of the population and could drive a wedge in the Democratic party, so they're using it strategically. The thing is, that's the only way we will get traction in the Democratic party - we have to let them see that this is a wedge issue and they'll split the party if they don't rethink their position. Otherwise, why not just keep on with it? They have no motivation to change their position unless they're getting a lot of pushback within the party and seeing that it's going to cost them elections. Just like the Republicans, Democrats are not thinking for themselves and trying to come up with the best nuanced, research-based answers for problems... they're just unthinkingly following wherever their crowd of party loyalists/donors go. Time to research the issue will not convince them to change their minds.

[–] MakeThatDough 0 points (+0|-0)

Welcome. I believe in personal responsibility and some might argue that makes me conservative. Always thought I was liberal though. Politically homeless.

[–] Ovarian 5 points (+5|-0)

Hello!

I started out life with the naïve assumption that the suffragette movement had been successful, and that most sexism was done. I knew there was still a little bit left, but I genuinely believed it was rare. As I grew older and moved into a professional career, I began to see the influence that sex-bias has on women. I became much more aware of disparate treatment of women in the workplace, and throughout society as a whole. Over the last decade, I've seen women's rights being rolled back in ways I'd never imagined could happen, particularly as it pertains to bodily autonomy and abortions.

Within the last two years, I've been exposed to a lot of Transgender Activism, and it actually frightens me. When my sister's eldest child came out as a transwoman, I sympathetic and encouraging . As I began researching to get a better understanding, I was primed to be supportive. But the more I looked into it, the more I tried to understand what it was all about... the less supportive I've become. It's not at all what I expected, and it's far more misogynistic than I anticipated.

Now, I've begun reaching out to my friends and family, and bringing the topic up as casually and nonconfrontationally as I can. Turns out, all of the women in my life are where I was not that long ago: They had no idea any of this was going on. They all started from the same assumptions that I did, that transgender people shouldn't be subjected to violence for being transgender, they shouldn't be fired or denied basic services for being transgender... and that "transgender" implicitly means that they've gone through (or are in the process of) hormone treatments and surgeries. And they've all been shocked at what is actually going on: male-bodied people being put into women's prisons based on their self-proclamation of "womanhood", adult males in women's clothing walking around the showers at the local pool with their penises exposed while young girls are changing, males being selected for female positions in leadership and politics, men demanding that they be allowed access to rape shelters solely on their claim that they "feel like women".

We're losing the very language that lets us talk about the barriers that we, as women, face in society. We're losing the progress that our grandmothers and mothers fought for. So I've decided that I won't be silenced, and I will fight this movement that seeks to once again make women subordinate to the whims and desires of men.

[–] MakeThatDough 2 points (+2|-0)

yes. preach. i spoke out with some friends and lost them, and my workplace thinks i'm "hateful" for seeing through the BS and the reinforcement of gender roles/internalized homophobia that the entire trans movement seems to be

[–] carpetplaydohx2 44 points (+44|-0)

Hi! I found my way here by way of the linked Atlantic article on LSA. I was formerly a member of r/GC (waves to all the old GC users) and moved over to Spinster when everyone else did but it just didn't feel like "home" at that time. I'm so appreciative of those who've created and protected this space!

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