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World war z used to be one of my favorite books. I really love fake history books and thought this one was well done.

However I just noticed the awful misogyny present in it. The first female character in the story is slapped because she's seen as hysterical by her boss. The first female character to be interviewed talks about how she cries seeing her weight on a scale, how she's shallow and how her husband doesn't pay attention to her. Then the worst I think is when he describes a traumatized feral child as having a dancers body, gorgeous or prewar supermodel 🤮. Some of the female characters are ok but the way he describes their body like no other male character gives me the awful impression he had one hand on his peen while writing 🤮.

Reading books written by men makes me realize just how much they see us as mere caricatures. Any of you know other good books similar to world war z concept written by women?

World war z used to be one of my favorite books. I really love fake history books and thought this one was well done. However I just noticed the awful misogyny present in it. The first female character in the story is slapped because she's seen as hysterical by her boss. The first female character to be interviewed talks about how she cries seeing her weight on a scale, how she's shallow and how her husband doesn't pay attention to her. Then the worst I think is when he describes a traumatized feral child as having a dancers body, gorgeous or prewar supermodel 🤮. Some of the female characters are ok but the way he describes their body like no other male character gives me the awful impression he had one hand on his peen while writing 🤮. Reading books written by men makes me realize just how much they see us as mere caricatures. Any of you know other good books similar to world war z concept written by women?

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How many times a day do male authors think we stare at ourselves naked in full length mirrors? 🤣

Silly wimmin spend all day twirling around and are breasting all over the place with their..feminine urges.

Genuinely wonder how these men get published.

I only do while on shrooms

🤣 I do it to see how bloated I get during my period or to check my workout gainz. I don't fucking stare "longingly caressing myself missing my pre-pregnancy body", moid AGP buffoons

Oh good point about gainz! I've recently started working out again, so I might check myself out every couple of months to see what's changed.

Oh, and some male filmmakers think we bathe by feeling ourselves up...and we pole dance in our bedrooms.

Y The Last Man had similar problems. The male author wrote a story where 99% of all males die from a plague. And the way the female cast was written was ridiculous. Like, most of the time the story was decent and compelling. And then you get slapped in the face with a "Crazy Feminazi Biker Gang" that is still obsessed with hating on males (and killing any woman who still misses her dad/husband/son/etc) despite nearly all of the males being dead. And also sex trafficking still existing in an all female world???

Sex trafficking existing?! Of course a male author would write that. As if women would ever do that to each other. Who were the buyers?! No men no violence smh. Maybe I should write a novel where the whole novel is framed as a mystery as to why men died out then plot twist it's revealed smart women engineered a plague to make earth peaceful again 💀

I know right! First off, heterosexual women wouldn't be satisfied with banging women in man costumes. And lesbians wouldn't buy slaves because, in a world where men are all gone, they'd be more spoiled for choice than ever before!

Even if a reader was dumb enough to believe that sex trafficking wouldn't IMMEDIATELY stop if all the men died, it still makes no logical sense!

The recent attempt to turn Y The Last Man into a TV show actually made some promising changes to fix the sexist nonsense that was in the books. However, it sadly shit the bed by trying to shoe-horn genderwoo into the story and having a bunch of TIFs running around. Which was ridiculous because the major conflict in that story was trying to keep The Last Man a secret while transporting him across the country to find a cure for the plague. But that kinda goes out the window if he can just tell people he's a trans-man and stroll about wherever he pleases. LOL

I thought it was stupid that women were simping over the TIFs and asking them if they were out of T. And, oh my, would you like me to use my contacts to get you some? Like, half the pop drops dead and there's some chaos. You're still going to humor trans? The plague specifically killed XYs.

[–] Mintie 6 points Edited

So it's TIFs and not TIMs? I was sure that they were going to say all the men died but then you see TIMs around and the show would insist they're biologically women

Would TIF even exist without men? Good goddess 😭😭😭. The TV show apparently seems to have gone in the other direction

[–] iCONIC 7 points Edited

... then plot twist it's revealed smart women engineered a plague

I need this story published. It'd take the world by storm!

A new SCUM manifesto? I've already written a few chapters maybe I should go back to it :D

I read it too. And yes, agree. I thought the so-called Amazons who cut off one of their breasts silly.....some people act like that was historically accurate. They say, Amazons cut off one of their breasts so they could pull an arrow. Um, Dolly Parton could pull an arrow...your arm goes above your shoulder. But yeah, the biker gang was stupid, the TIF prostitutes were dumb, and the women going apeshit because people were mourning some men, like David Bowie. I didn't hate it. But... The show...omg, no. They had to make it trans friendly.

[–] space_out 15 points Edited

OMG that rich boy is insufferable. In the same book, I remember there was a chapter covering Ukraine. The character retelling how they were fleeing while over looked by the majestic monument of "Motherland". And I, as someone from Eastern Europe, am like - motherland?! That's some soviet sounding shit. So I look up the monument - and it literally has the soviet hammer and sickle on it. Basically, it's like saying a jewish person would look longingly at a swastika - it's completely offensive and bizarre choice.

So I look up what backlash the rich boy got for this, and turns out Ukrainian portrayal wasn't even in top ten. And his response was:

"Yes, in World War Z some nations come out as winners and some as losers, but isn't that the case in real life as well? I wanted to base my stories on the historical actions of the countries in question, and if it offends some individuals, then maybe they should reexamine their own nation's history."

Not saying everyone needs to know every country's history, but maybe don't write about shit you know nothing about? His mommy and daddy must have paid big bucks to get him a degree in history and unfortunately that made him believe he is actually educated.

All in all, I strongly believe this trash wouldn't have been picked up by a publisher if not for nepotism and I strongly question the intelligence of the person who gave it to me.

LMAO PERIODT DRAG HIS ASS. Yeah I liked it when I was literally 10 and had a superficial understanding but now rereading it just feels so Ick.

I didn't like the way he talked about many countries so thank you for sharing your experience, glad it's not just me because this book is praised like it's the zombie Bible lmao

Oh, yeah, absolutely agree. I stopped early in the book, but already by then I noticed this push for ~irrational yet dispassionate~ actions by countries in Asia, Africa and the one in Eastern Europe was also kind of "feral", but it's "artistic choice", so I unfortunately let it slip by up until the objectively stupid part. But I bet people educated about the other countries' histories saw stupid stuff earlier on, I'm just not knowledgable about their culture (which is why I don't write books about them).

Yep! The whole "these primitive countries" vibe really oozed through and I could definitely tell he was working with just a superficial understanding of the countries I have some knowledge on. Yeah I gave him too much leeway imo. Never a male author ever again.

If you want apocalyptic settings there's Parable of the Sower by Octavia E Butler. There is a sequel Parable of the Talents which is not as good (Sower got lots of awards) but not bad.

I would like to bestow a rose (or any other flower you like) upon thee. Thank u ❤️. Will definitely check em out

Ugh so gross. I have no recommendations on similar books sorry, but I am very much on the same page as regards only looking for books by female authors. The only male author I read anymore is Terry Pratchett, as far as fiction goes anyway. There are plenty of brilliant novels by women to keep me busy without being worried I’m going to be slapped by some horrible misogynistic description halfway through.

Haha your last line just spoke to me lol. I could be reading something well written so far and then suddenly get whacked over the head with misogynistic garbage. Even the so called "classics" are unreadable with their misogyny. I've been making an effort to read only female authors but they aren't promoted as well.

It’s like they just can’t help themselves, lol. Some of the ‘classics’ are the worst (1984 oh my God) though I can sometimes be a bit more forgiving depending on when they were written. Even then however, I just can’t be bothered with male authors anymore. Honestly my favourite way of buying books is just to go into a bookstore, especially second hand, have a browse, and just pick up anything by a female author I think looks interesting. It can be a bit hit and miss for sure, but I’m pretty easily entertained and can usually find something redeeming in any book I read as long as it’s not hateful.

That's a pretty solid idea! I think I'll do that as well, we don't have huge book stores here like in the west but I hope I can still find stuff online maybe. Yeah I couldn't finish 1984 and although I liked the Terror TV series the book was so gross

So true! Philip Roth has a tremendous gift for prose and you can be sure that at some point you will feel like throwing up as read another grossly misogynistic passage. And that's just one of the most obvious ones.

[–] Juniperius 2 points Edited

Yes! I pretty much stopped reading fiction by men over a decade ago, but Terry Pratchett is still grandfathered in. Kim Stanley Robinson too. I can't think of anyone else. Once in a while I'll pick up some book by a dude that looks interesting and I never make it through.

I really wish I could filter my library's catalog by the sex of the author. It would make looking for new books to read so much easier.

Pratchett wrote women as people, bloody shocking how many male authors can’t manage the same. I haven’t read Kim Stanley Robinson, but if you give him a pass alongside Sir Terry maybe I should check him out!

I’d love to open a little bookstore with only female authors but I think we all know how that would go.

I had a conversation with one of my friends who is a writer and he and I were discussing the terrible female characters men usually write. My advice to him on how to avoid that pitfall was to write a good character and then just make it a female. Unfortunately, I think that is rarely the approach male authors have.

Yeah I feel like they'd do that ok but then add in something after they make the character female, think Ripley butt out in the alien movie like why do we need to see her crack 😭😭😭😭

I just don’t read male writers anymore 🤷‍♀️ (notable exceptions Terry Pratchett RIP, Neil Gaiman, and Stephen King)