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His work is riddled with sexism, pedophilia and misogyny. I haven't read a single book of his that doesn't describe the female character in sexual detail. She's always young, tempting and fuckable. An object. Fuck Murakami

His work is riddled with sexism, pedophilia and misogyny. I haven't read a single book of his that doesn't describe the female character in sexual detail. She's always young, tempting and fuckable. An object. Fuck Murakami

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I tried reading one of his novels and I just couldn't finish it. I remember how he described the inner monolog of a female teacher that was fantasizing about how she's having sex and "she feels the semen filling her in". This is such a male fantasy, I've heard so many men being obsessed with this. But as a woman, I literally never feel the man ejacilating at all, ever. I can feel the semen dripping later but that's it (and it's not exciting at all). He has no idea what women actually like sexually.

[–] Tnetennba 45 points Edited

It's such a common male fantasy, they actually think it's the truth. I have no idea why they think women care about their semen, most women want it as far away as possible.

From now on when I write from a male perspective I'm going to describe the man writhing in ecstasy at the feeling of vaginal discharge coating his penis. He'll orgasm like 11 times at just the thought, with nothing touching his penis. Like women are expected to do.

HAHAHAHAH PLEASE DO!

do you write fanfiction?

Not the person you were responding to, but I'm a big reader of fanfiction, the site I read on clearly has almost exclusively female writers. One time I was reading something and it was so gross, weird, jarring, unerotic, awful and terribly written that it was CLEARLY written by a man. Really stood out.

Yes, I've heard it from several men, they thought I'd be into it and for a bit I thought I'd enjoy it (I had never had sex without a condom). Then when I did experience it, I was like "meh, I can't feel a thing".

Ugh when it drips out it feels so gross, I can't stand it so much so that I'll go sit on the toilet for a while afterwards. Also yeah, you can't feel anything past the first couple inches of your vagina so no woman is feeling the semen "fill her." You can feel the penile tissue contracting during orgasm, but not the semen. I don't know who this author is but from the sound of it he's not very good...

Don't they realize everything is already wet down there that it doesn't make a difference?

Or do they all have wives like Ben Shapiro?

I don't understand that reference, I don't know anything about ben shapiro except that he has an extemely annoying voice and I can't stand listening to him for more than like 5 seconds

fantasizing about how she's having sex and "she feels the semen filling her in".

What is she, an insect with a spermatheca?

Lol absolutely. You can't feel it... their male fantasies about female sexual pleasure are so delusional...

He has no idea what women actually like sexually.

Like basically all men.

I really need to ask: why do you keep reading his work? 🤪 Although I keep on reading bloody Stephen King, so I'm totally not judging. Just curious.

This thread is making me miss the old men writing women sub before the cult took it over. Many laughs were had there. Stephen King was definitely the poster boy for the subject.

There’s an idea for a circle.... 👀 Would you like to make a post about it, or should I?

jumping in to add that I would love to subscribe to that circle!

I had to read a few of his novels for a college course! My professor was a huge fan and gave us a choice from his novels. Ended up hating them all lmao. never again

So weird because I liked all of his earlier work and then more recently was so turned off- I’m guessing I just didn’t pick up on all the misogyny because it was so internalized in my teen and 20s

Same. I used to love reading his books in my teens, but whenever I try to return to them now I can't stomach them. I'm too scared to pick up Sputnik Sweetheart or Norwegian Wood ever again, it would probably just make me sad that I was so oblivious.

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That is sad. He was my favorite author actually. I never thought of him as misogynistic. Imagine the decisions we’ve made with that mindset.

Btw I recognized Henry Miller as an ott misogynist but still read all his work per the recommendation of a guy.

Oh god, Henry Miller. I remember being 16 and reading his novel, whatever the famous one is, and he was literally writing about a turd flushing down a toilet. My 16 year old mind thought "oH My gOd HoW ProFoounnNNdDD!!" And I quoted it all over my livejournal LOL.

I mean, he's great when you're 16. I haven't read him since because, even though I didn't pick up on the misogyny, he tried so hard that by the time I was in college I was embarrassed to have ever read him.

Why do we idolize so many homeless men? I also loved all the beatniks, and it wasn't until I read Andrew Dworkin that I realized Alan Ginsberg was an actual pedophile. Yet I was taught in high school and college that these homeless, drug addicted men were enlightened? Why?

[–] notyourfetish 4 points Edited

Me too. I read the Wind Up Bird but didn't pick up on some things in it because I had been raised by abusers, basically, and saw that stuff as "normal."

When I got older, my eyes were opened, so . . . Lol.

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i read the wind up bird chronicles on a recommendation and it was legit the worst book i've ever read to date, like trying to push myself to finish it felt like suffering. it made me so upset & uncomfortable i stopped after half i think. there was literally a side story in there of a woman recounting her rape and how she enjoyed it.

there was literally a side story in there of a woman recounting her rape and how she enjoyed it.

Wow I don't remember this at all (thank god).

Sadly, I'm not shocked. Murakami is Japanese and Hentai (Japanese porn) is usually about women (usually school girls) enjoying being raped. 🤢

I remember when I first stumbled across it online. I still need eye bleach. And I still see my discovery of it as one of the worst things to ever happen to me in my life. . . . And I was raised by abusers, homeless on the streets, etc. I wish I'd never seen it.

My mom gave me that book at the recommendation of someone at the bookstore. :\ I only read like a chapter, but thanks to your warning I will probably not try to pick it up again. Sounds disgusting.

Never read any of his books but I read an excerpt once that I think was from one of them, please correct me if I'm wrong. Something about a female slave mourning the breasts of her fellow slaves. Like, 'such a shame they died, they had such great tits.' That alone is enough to turn me off reading anything of his.

Something about a female slave mourning the breasts of her fellow slaves. Like, 'such a shame they died, they had such great tits.'

Ah yes, so relatable. Very typical female behavior /s

I don't know - I really liked 1Q84. I read it during a very difficult time in my life and it comforted me. What authors do you enjoy reading?

i actually havent read 1Q84! definitely understand if it helped you in some way, i see how people can take away lessons from his work. i love reading greek philosophy despite its absolutely insane takes toward women and other things. i'd say the book i liked best out of murakamis was hard boiled wonderland for its surreal prose and concept. even so i will probably not read murakami again because my attitude towards his work is just meh to dislike, the prose and narrative dont do it for me and obviously i hate the way he writes women lol.

as for books i like, thats a hard question haha, i jump around every genre and age group. i like asimov, shakespear, austen, bradbury, shelley, atwood, le guin.

It’s okay. I still really love Sputnik Sweetheart for a similar reason.

He’s one of my favorite authors, I’ll never apologize about it.

I would not say it’s riddled with those things, especially pedophilia.

Does it contain some of those, sometimes? Yes. !=“riddled” Media containing subject matter in relation to this does not automatically and necessarily mean it condones it or is about it.

His stories are so so so so so much more than that. I love his surreal magical fever-dream-lite realism. I love the slow, hazy ambiance.

Is he a perfect author? No. Some scenes, eh. Easily moving on from them.

Comparing some of this to what’s on the screen in Hollywood, even in pg13 movies? Want to talk about misogyny there? No comparison.

fair enough, i posted this assuming many people would disagree. i mentioned above that i do like hard boiled wonderland for its surreal qualities. very interesting prose and world.

as for the use of pedophilia, i have to argue the main characters of several of his books pursue women that are younger than him, some of them being teenagers, and these subject matters don't seem to be explored in nuanced ways. the books go into detail about how the main character wants to fuck young/underage women. i'm not against exploring male centric povs and depraved sexual matters in books, but i find the creepy undertones of his male characters to be a detriment to the plot itself. i had to read several murakami books in the span of a few weeks and most on the reading list contained elements of a young female character being an object of lust. some of these characters were underage. you can't help but notice these trends especially when reading his works back to back...

it's okay if you enjoy his works, fiction is meant to be enjoyed. i'm glad you take what matters to you from the work, but i cant say the same for myself.

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Same here. I am on board with your entire comment. Wind up Bird and 1q84 are among my favorite novels.

Does he have dumb, man-y ideas about semen, young girls, meh dudes who somehow get a lot of women, and other eye-rolly shit in his books? Yep. Not disputing that. And the man himself? No idea bout him and I don't care, I just know he exercises a lot.

His stories are so so so so so much more than that. I love his surreal magical fever-dream-lite realism. I love the slow, hazy ambiance.

This! And the air of menace that he conveys like in Wind up Bird stays with you. I don't tend to remember the details of his books though I've read all of them translated into English, but I remember the ambiance and atmosphere.

That said, hate on, sisters! If you hate this dude and his work, that's your right.

I’m in the same boat as you. Sometimes I like being uncomfortable for the sake of plot, especially when it’s skirting historical norms and social commentary. He writes from a very male perspective but I really enjoy reading his books.

I love/ hate Norwegian Wood. I started reading it and... I'm just not a fan of the damsel in distress/ frail pixie girl thing. I didn't care for Naoko at all. But Kizuki was also this frail pixie boy. Delicate petals everywhere in this book! It took me years to give it another try and I remember enjoying the rest of the book. The characters were messy. I do own Dance, Dance, Dance, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle and A Wild Sheep Chase- which I haven't read. They're classics, so I'm going to read them. But Ryu Murakami is more my style than Haruki.

Fwiw, Norwegian wood is definitely unlike most of his others. The others are much more surreal

This is making me feel better. I recently tried to read one of his books and just couldn't get into it. I don't remember which one it was, but the main character is a man who just left his wife and is a somewhat neo-noir, grizzled, whiskey-soaked detective archetype. His love interest is an ear model. I didn't get very far.

Has anyone read 1Q84? This summary sounds like it COULD be interesting:

This dense read focuses on two vastly different characters who share an experience that ties them together.

On one side, you have Aomame, a woman who finds and kills male perpetrators of domestic abuse. The other character, Tengo, works as both a math teacher and a writer.

At the start of the novel, Aomame begins to realize that the world around her doesn’t seem quite right. She decides that she’s in an alternate reality that she deems 1Q84.

However, I just don't know what to expect.

I feel like I should try again with him, just because he's so well-regarded. However, many times very popular authors won't be as enjoyable to women and maybe he is one of those.

[–] foxsteward 1 points Edited

i read 1Q84 and i'm still bitter about it. i first read Wind Up Bird Chronicle and MOSTLY enjoyed it, so i wanted to take on something similarly surreal. i also find his prose to be subtly beautiful, though in WUBC i was already leery of how he writes women. i personally thought 1Q84 was (at best) boring, or (at worst) an arrogant male writer's masturbatory pet project that ends its weak storyline in a maddeningly unsatisfactory way, leaving important threads totally unraveled. from about the 500-page mark, i felt like, no matter how much i read, i was always about 300 pages from the end. and tbh this book would have been ALRIGHT with about 300 pages of useless filler cut out. i finished it out of spite and--as i stated and as may be apparent from the ensuing paragraph--i'm still bitter about it.

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I tried reading 1Q84 before and hated it. The sexist depictions of the female characters really bothered me, but honestly one of the worst things about the book is how much useless information Murakami includes that adds nothing to the story. Seriously, there's so much unnecessary detail, it makes it a chore to read.

I read "What I Talk About When I Talk About Running: A Memoir" and it was good, but I'm hesitant to pick up one of his novels because I've read such bad things about how the female characters are written...

Fucking preach! His books are gross and it's mind-boggling seeing how many people worship him (like on r/books, for instance, or any book-related space tbh). The first book I read of his was Norwegian Wood, which was mediocre at best (and featured the male mc sleeping with every female character 🙄), then I tried reading 1Q84 and couldn't bring myself to finish it because of how sexualized the female characters were and the amount of sexism.

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