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AuthorsKatherine Addison / Sarah Monette
Any fans on here?
I loved "The Goblin Emperor" (published under the pseudonym Katherine Addison), but found to my dismay that the fandom on AO3 is full of TRAs/woman haters so am currently sitting on a stack of unpublished fanfics.
Is that just a thing with the fandom, or has the author encouraged this crowd?
(I am a rather sensitive person and having an author whose books I fell in love with openly declare their hatred of women would break my heart, so I am on the fence on whether to buy any other books by Katherine Addison, even though I really love the style/atmosphere that apparently goes with that pseudonym.)
I haven't read the books published under the name Sarah Monette because they seem to be too dark for my liking, so don't know what the contents are.
Regardless of what comes to light, I will stay a fan of The Goblin Emperor. The protagonist at one point terfily recognizes a woman who is trying to pass as man because she has a female voice and all that ... so I guess in that case, I can separate the work from the author.
(In a saner world, I would assume that the author does not subscribe to gender religion because she obviously knows what a woman is when writing fantasy, but I have observed a lot of doublethink, so I figure nothing is impossible.)
Of course it was for show, but I am glad he said it anyway! It helps when males police other males' conduct.
No it's not a good thing is what I'm saying. It makes her (and by extension women) look weak on the world stage. We don't need that.
I do have conflicted thoughts whether this helps as to males policing other male conduct. But in the end, I think what he did caused more damage than help.
To her, maybe. To other women, other men, and society in general, he did well to call this out in public.
I'm not sure about that. For women who advanced to higher positions, this is just bad. We don't need men to fight our fights when we don't need them. Also, there is something very empowering for women when we're able to hold our own against men acting like Vivek, which is annoying but honestly not tantamount to anything serious. It's something I don't think women in younger generations understand.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I agree it's bad for her, but I think it was good for others. My daughters were thrilled to see a man call out another man on this. It gave them hope.
Of course. Always a good thing when we can all agree to disagree.
One caveat though: Your daughters can some day be running for president too, or be in the running for a high level power position. Wouldn't it be equally bad for them in such cases that a man with ulterior motive comes to their "rescue", and steal their thunder and neutralize them?
Sure, but I know my daughters would say, loudly, "Thanks, but I can handle him myself!"
That's what Megyn Kelly said too, and I think we all would immediate think that. But I also see that a woman would have to be very very quick on her feet and think to do that in such a way that treads a very fine lone of not coming off like an ungrateful b*tch and turning everyone against her, especially on national TV. In the immediate moment it'd be a lot easier said than done. (sorry mod, the b word is used not as an insult but to make my very point.) Moreover in the conservative sphere it'd triply more difficult or else she'd fall right into affirming the "She's Hillary" attack DeSantis is right now lodging against her.
Ofc I doubt your daughters will be in conservative political sphere (correct me if I'm wrong). But my point is in reality it's easier said than done for. any women in high power position in that situation. Hopefully it won't be the case anymore when your daughters reach that stage.
Was Vivek just debating/arguing/bashing her any differently than he did the other men?
TBH it's more complicated than that. Right from the beginning Haley made a very smart and calculated move to make him her fodder to showcase her international political experience, probably because she knew she has nothing to lose by picking on him than the other Republican candidates. Thereafter the two of them just quickly became mortal enemies. Vivek is quite bombastic in his style as he's trying to be Trump 2.0 (like Trump but more an Ivy League crass than low-class crass.) He hits low and made a number of personal attacks against her including some that are sexist, and dragged her adult daughter into the debate. So yes he's bashing her differently than the other men, but the other men also weren't engaging in an ongoing spat with him like Haley was for months now (until Christie got in on it last night).
I think his sexist comments were more annoying than damaging. Things like referring to her high heels and lipstick.
Pure theater, and the most tiresome of good-ole-days cliches.
Methinks he came neither to bury nor praise Gov. Haley; rather, he was there only for the two-fer: landing a punch (albeit feebly) on Vivek and patronizing Nikki.
I hope she wins the nomination and takes him as VP
Make Republicanism Sane Again
Take him as VP? After everything I just explained about this shit move he pulled on her? God I hope not. He can go suck it.
There was a sarcastic headline that Christie must have been auditioning for MSNBC, but I can see it being true. Peripheral candidates like him are usually in it to get attention for a book or a new career move. "Former Presidential Candidate" looks pretty good on paper, but it isn't that hard to be one in the grand scheme of things.
I can see that. Also imagine he's angling for the conservative women vote. Considering the traditional patriarchal line is one of the benevolent, protective man handling everything so you don't have to 'worry your pretty little head about it,' IMO that's the image he was trying to serve there.
Editing to add: that isn't the stupidest angle to take, either, considering even Trump-supporting women tend to not love him as much as the men in his base do.
He's not getting conservative women's votes. Conservatives don't want him.
And unpopular opinion here: I don't agree that all conservative women are submissive SAH moms and trad wives wanting benevolent protective male support. There are conservative women like that no doubt. But IMO and experience, there is a segment of conservative women who feminists won't acknowledge or recognize, which are conservative/libertarian women who deem themselves very strong and independent, and in their view, male sexism exists but they don't want any liberal or Democratic type help because they can hold their own against men, and they don't want or need such help.
Can agree with all of that (I mean, hell, you've got Meghan Kelly moderating this thing, case in point), just suspect that might have something to do with his rationale. I don't think anyone thinks there's a snowball's chance in hell of a President Chris Christie other than him and his few supporters. That being said, only meant that if push came to shove between Trump-style sexism and Christie-style sexism, there are conservative women for whom the 'chivalrous' sort is more appealing than the Trump-ogling-his-own-daughter sort or the aggressively-disbelieving-women-have-anything-worth-listening-to sort, and he may be angling to try to differentiate himself in that way.
I think that none of these candidates would be up on the stage if they didn't believe that they have a chance. Christie is done, but he would be happy to be VP.
When I see the lead that Trump holds though I am always stunned. What the pollsters never explain ]is that although 50 percent of Republican voters would vote for him again, Republicans are only 25% of the voting public. So 50% of 25% of voters in the general election would mean that Trump would lose the general election. If independents got out and voted in the primaries Trump wouldn't even be the nominee. Why won't you ever see pundits or opinion writers urging independents to vote? Well because the news represents the extremes of both parties-- Biden or Trump
Independents generally cannot vote in any party's primaries. NH is one of the few rare exceptions. In almost all states voters need to be registered Republicans to vote or caucus in GOP primaries.
The get out the vote efforts should be heavily focused on getting out independents to vote down Trump.
I don’t think he made her look weak. He just said what everyone was thinking and tried to get the Indian Trump Jr. to stop harassing her. He only defended her for like 15 seconds. I just don’t see how it’s that big of a deal. Nikki held her own very well against Vivek. But he was being abusive to her - he needed to be called out. He was acting way more abusive and vicious towards Nikki than towards anyone else, on a level I’d never seen in a presidential debate. He is full of toxic masculinity. I think we should focus more on that, rather than getting upset with Christie for sticking up for someone he respects as a colleague.
It’s clear that Vivek has a personal issue with Nikki for whatever reason. Probably feels super threatened and competitive with her given she’s also Indian, female, and way more powerful and accomplished than him.
We have different opinions then. And maybe you're looking at it from a perspective on bad male behaviors. I'm talking about women who reached high places where the stakes are high. When you're trying to convince some of the wealthiest and most powerful of the country that you are the woman for the job and they should give you millions of $$$, and they can count on you, I guarantee you headlines and articles like this one is not one you want to see.
Chris Christie Had His Best GOP Debate and May Have Saved Nikki Haley
These rich donors are not looking to call out toxic masculinity. They're looking to see if they can bet on her to handle herself against toxic masculinity before they hand her millions of dollars.
And if she can't handle a gnat like Vivek, who's going to come to her rescue when she has to confront toxic masculinity on steroid like Putin and Xi Jinping?
Believe me. Chris Christie did her no favor.