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Recommendation RequestBooks on my Amazon list
Posted December 26, 2023 by Spencer_Shayy in Books

I have the following books on my Amazon wishlist:

  • Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody by Helen Pluckrose, James Lindsay

  • Trouble with Gender by Alex Bryne

  • The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided By Politics and Religion by Jonathan Hadit

  • The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions And Bad Ideas Are Setting Up A Generation For Failure by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Hadit

  • How To Have Impossible Conversations: A Very Practical Guide by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay

Has anyone here read any of these? Do you or do you not recommend them?

22 comments

drdeeisbackDecember 26, 2023

Cynical Theories wasn't as interesting as I'd expected it to be - I don't rate Helen Pluckrose as much of a scholar. OTOH The Coddling of the American Mind was much better than I'd expected - I hadn't read it until recently because I thought the title was dumb; turns out the authors also thought the title was dumb.

vulvapeopleDecember 28, 2023

Pluckrose buys into true trans, so I can't take her entirely seriously. And Lindsay is unhinged.

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JernsaxaDecember 26, 2023

I read Cynical Theories. It was okay. An easy read. Thank you for reminding me I should get The Coddling of the American Mind :)

ramaniDecember 26, 2023

I liked Cynical Theories, though it was quite dense and not the easiest to get through - then again I expected that, given the subject matter. I do think it should be required reading.

The New Discourses podcast is also a good companion series to some of the ideas in the book, and I think the podcast format makes the ideas easier to understand.

stern-as-steelDecember 26, 2023

Impossible Conversations is awesome. I recommend it for everyone.

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I think Gender-Critical Feminism is the strongest for making your case on the liberal side of the spectrum.

vulvapeopleDecember 28, 2023

I read The Righteous Mind recently, and it was informative, but certainly not something I'd consider a fun read.

truthisnthateDecember 26, 2023

I highly recommend Trouble with Gender. Bryne is a solid and thoughtful thinker/philosopher (unlike Lindsay who I can't stand), he presents great context and arguments backed by evidence and scholarship.

beingDecember 27, 2023

I and a few other women here read Cynical Theories earlier this year and we discussed it in the comments of a post. If you search the book's title here you should find the post. I shared a lot of my notes on the book in the comments there, which ended up being a pretty thorough summary and almost an abridged version of the book lol

I found the book informative and it does a pretty good job of explaining the origins of how certain ideologies became so prominent and influential in American society over the last decade or so, although the real roots of this stuff go back much further - back then it was limited to the academic realm and had not leaked out into mainstream culture, and the book explains all that.

So overall I'd say it's worth a read if you think the subject matter is interesting, though it is relatively dense and there are aspects of it that are somewhat poorly executed. For example, I thought it needed better editing, and there's a chapter on feminism that's really... muddled and off-base, for lack of a better word.

I haven't read anything else on your list but I might want to read The Coddling of the American Mind if I ever get around to it. I'd potentially be open to faciliating a book club in this circle for that book, if there's enough interest from others - ideally I'd like at least two or three others to commit to reading and discussing it.

Spencer_Shayy [OP]December 27, 2023

I'd join that book club!

beingDecember 27, 2023

Cool! From some of the other comments here, it looks like there are some women who've already read that book, though I don't know if they'd end up participating in a future discussion with however many of us haven't read it and want to read & discuss.

If there's anyone else seeing this who is also interested in reading and discussing The Coddling of the American Mind, please reply to my comment here to show your interest, along with mentioning any preference you have about when to officially start the book club, like if you need some time to get the book and/or are still busy with winter holiday stuff over the next week or so.

Personally I'm flexible on the start date, whatever works for others I can go along with.

Spencer_Shayy [OP]December 27, 2023

I need some time to get the book, but once I do, I'm game!

I know LGB Alliance had a Zoom discussion on it last month - they were reading it, too.

beingDecember 27, 2023

I've facilitated book clubs/discussions here before and the way I do it is just via comments on a post dedicated to the book to be discussed. coordinating a videoconference is probably too much of a hassle and plus some users may have anonymity concerns here. discussing via comments on a post allows a bit more flexibility especially regarding time zones and/or even our own individual schedules.

I'll have to take a look at it and see how long it is and how it's divided into chapters or sections. So for the potential future book club, it may be split up a bit, to read a certain portion of the book each week.

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