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A trans identified man made a request to become admin on Wikipedia, and an existing female admin replied to it with some common sense, so of course all hell broke loose.

This is the comment the admin Athaenara posted: "Oppose. I think the domination of Wikipedia's woman niche, for lack of a better term, by males masquerading as females as opposed to welcoming actual, genuine, real women who were born and have always been female, is highly toxic. Go ahead, "cancel" me, I don't care."(link)(archive)

She was blocked very quickly.(link)(archive) And they also deleted her original post from the page history, something that normally only is done for things like doxxing or blatant copyright violations.(link)

Some argued that her account must have been hijacked (not much common sense left on Wikipedia) but she confirmed it was her: "No, this is me, and my account is not compromised. I was almost astonished to see how swiftly I was blocked for opposing a current RfA candidate, regardless of my grounds. I was not at all astonished to see how swiftly cancel culture reached out to put a stop to my opposition. Carry on."(link)(archive)

A trans identified man made a request to become admin on Wikipedia, and an existing female admin replied to it with some common sense, so of course all hell broke loose. This is the comment the admin Athaenara posted: "Oppose. I think the domination of Wikipedia's woman niche, for lack of a better term, by males masquerading as females as opposed to welcoming actual, genuine, real women who were born and have always been female, is highly toxic. Go ahead, "cancel" me, I don't care."([link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Desysop_of_Athaenara))([archive](https://archive.ph/J3wbh#Statement_by_EvergreenFir)) She was blocked very quickly.([link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Transphobia_from_User:Athaenara_on_Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Isabelle_Belato))([archive](https://archive.ph/DLMD1#Transphobia_from_User:Athaenara_on_Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Isabelle_Belato)) And they also deleted her original post from the page history, something that normally only is done for things like doxxing or blatant copyright violations.([link](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Isabelle_Belato&diff=prev&oldid=1115345450&diffmode=source)) Some argued that her account must have been hijacked (not much common sense left on Wikipedia) but she confirmed it was her: "No, this is me, and my account is not compromised. I was almost astonished to see how swiftly I was blocked for opposing a current RfA candidate, regardless of my grounds. I was not at all astonished to see how swiftly cancel culture reached out to put a stop to my opposition. Carry on."([link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Athaenara#October_2022))([archive](https://archive.ph/ZDUpu#October_2022))

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Holy shit, what a Queen. I checked the list of editors who have made the most edits to wiki articles and she comes in at number 1755 with 54,832 edits. 🤯

Not sure she'll ever see this, but if she does: Athaenara, you are amazing and I hope I can one day show as much courage as you've just exhibited in walking away from a project that was such a big part of your life because the reality of being a woman is something worth defending.

Also, to my feminist pod/vidcasters out there: please put an invite out to interview her. I'd love to hear more about her and the reasons for her decision, assuming she's willing.

The TiM uses "transmisogynist" in his reply to describe this woman. It's truly one of the most idiotic words that TiMs have created for themselves. Misogyny... Against males who LARP as women. Yep. Fuck right off

I cringe every time a post starts with, "As a trans woman, I think blah blah blah".

[–] CeruleanPisces 38 points Edited

I don’t cringe anymore, I get angry, it’s as if they are saying their opinion is suddenly more valid because they view the world through a lens of delusional mental illness. Truly the patients running the asylum.

As soon as I read that I skip right over them. Not interested in your misogynistic beliefs sir

The term was invented by "Julia" Serano and the first example he gives is men getting laughed at:

When a trans person is ridiculed or dismissed not merely for failing to live up to gender norms, but for their expressions of femaleness or femininity, they become the victims of a specific form of discrimination: trans-misogyny. When the majority of jokes made at the expense of trans people center on “men wearing dresses” or “men who want their penises cut off,” that is not transphobia—it is trans-misogyny.

“Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.”

There is so much wrong with just this one lil paragraph, I can't even begin to start dissecting it. What a misogynistic moron

OMG! I cannot believe someone is writing this! Hi, I am Jen and sitting here in Midtown, Manhattan and I was BANNED FOR LIFE from making edits to Wiki! My ONLY edits were: 1) I was crossed out an unverified comment about art work from the early "riot grrl" movement...Actually, it *was *verified, but the writer sourced himself! This guy, from Chicago- who was born 2 years before the riot grrrl movement was mounting in Olympia, WA, wrote a book about queer art and he claims that these feminist punk rockers invited so-called "trans women" to early meetings and put their art work in their weekly art publishings! OMG! I tried contacting Bikini Kill directly, but I received no response, but I think that is bogus and BS- completely! There is no way...Anyway, I just crossed it out and they allowed it to remain...2) I referred to this celebrity professor cyclist "trans identified male" was on Trevor Noah and was definitely misogynistic and he has several names and has referred openly on different websites with his so-called "deadname" and I wrote his deadname on his Wiki page and 3) I crossed out so-called "gender identity" as being a part of in second wave feminism. So, I was told I was BANNED FOR LIFE and could never make another Wiki edit again...

After sitting back and thinking about it all, I started thinking about Julian Assange and how he was holed-up in the Ecuadorian embassy for years, trying to evade rape charges (with an underage girl!) that we verifiable by at least 8 witnesses- a case which fell apart over the years and therefore could not be tried a decade later- so the charges were dropped!

This was also the guy who very purposefully came out against Hillary Clinton and who, "in the name of liberty," published all of the emails and other documents- conveniently right before the election and was even documented as making a point to not publish anything about Trump...I saw a video where he admitted wanting to skew the election...IDK if he was working with Russia or Trump or both, but he made it very clear which side he was on...This guy mettled, successfully, in a US election.

And this is the guy who has the largest bank/source of information in the world, where everyone goes for everything...or at least starts. And it's run by a rapist who did not want a woman running the free world...And clearly, Wiki remains misogynistic...

I feel certain that we need an alternate source. It has to be a matriarchial source/bank of reality...For people to go for the real version of everything...and it has to be 100% uncensored. I know that the truth transcends everything and will always remain, but they're powerful enough to make history, obviously. We have to do something so revolutionary- that no one has thought of it yet bc we are all so immersed in a patriarchial way of thinking...

I am broke and isolated and need to bump these ideas off other thinkers so we can really do something...I am in Midtown Manhattan and am here- ready to work. Ideas?

Thanks for posting this! I hope to hear from any and everyone! Please contact me directly at 206-503-0471 and let's figure out what to do next! We have got to be creative! Best! jen

She’s brave for calling out the tech TiM bros invasion of women’s spaces. The worst part is these big corps twist these men taking women’s spaces as being a diversity+ hire and count them as “women”. It actually just oppressing us and marginalizing women even further in the tech fields. Very tiresome.

Indeed, this drives me nuts too. Even worse, even when they have legal documentation of sex, Google uses an alternative survey called Self-ID -- where employees can put themselves into whatever buckets they choose -- to count and report diversity statistics. They can literally be as diverse as they "feel". 🤮

And our vital statistics are now being changed...A man can go down to the social security office and change his sex to female...

Wow, way to defeat the entire purpose of the survey? These companies make me sick, and there are so few women present in them already to stand up to this garbage.

And of course the guys username is LilianaUWU. Couldn't be any subtler there buddy

UWU

Of course.

Cringeworthy.

And they all want to act/talk like how they think little girls behave/talk. Instead of being cute, they’re just creepy.

UWU

I used to dread the day I was “too old” to get the full context of slang and internet stuff like this…and now seeing what I see out there I’m ok with it.

(Is this still me just going “get off my lawn” mode? Or is a lot of the current stuff like this indeed embarrassing?)

I’m early 30s and feel the same way. I grew up with internet slang and acronyms and “:)” AOL instant messenger and smart phones etc... and I didn’t even know/see “UwU/UWU/uwu” until discovering r/actuallesbians (TIMs) and peaking trans.

These TIMs need to get off our lawns!! 😂

I am pretty sure "uwu" is supposed to be an emoji, a Japanese emoticon, depicting some sort of facial expression.

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Yep. I wouldn't have even thought of that had I not seen a whole lot of cute animals in things like hamster cartoons. (My daughter used to love Hamtaro.)

And they also deleted her original post from the page history, something that normally only is done for things like doxxing or blatant copyright violations.

They just love erasing and altering history, don't they?

Damn, what a mic drop! And what a strange community they are, I hope she's enjoying a drink right now instead of thanklessly editing online vandalism while surrounded by terminally online goblins.

I am sure we could welcome her here. Diligent women like that who know wiki tech aren't all that common.

I have always given small amounts to Wikipedia when they come begging, because I do use Wikipedia and I want it to continue being there, but I’m going to take a break and next time they ask I will tell them why.

I stopped donating to wikipedia when it became apparent they were no longer a neutral source of information. It's a shame, because there is so much awesome about it.

Exactly the same here. I used to donate. Then I peaked and realised how biased many pages are against women and how insidious the editing policies are against women.

Good thing you stopped. Look here where Wikipedia's donations actually goes:

https://twitter.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633

I can't believe they have the nerve to make those pathetic pop-up pleas when so little is going to the running of the actual site.

Another case of the dangers and drawbacks of monopolies. Eventually they become purely extractive and control the market.

Yes. There’s no competition here. Economists might call this a natural monopoly, where the expense of building a competing data source is prohibitive so regulation is required to prevent monopolistic behavior. I’m not sure.

There's nothing natural about it when you need to grovel and sell your soul to multiple venture capitalists to get them to invest big bucks in your competitive idea so you can get it off the ground. Nearly all markets are gatekept by and for the people who benefit the most. Granted, they get milked and scammed all the time. But the days of starting anything from scratch is severely limited by gov, and their pals in the Investor Class. Everything has been so inflated, only the wealthy can play. So much for the American Dream. It's been hijacked. We're sleepwalking into neofeudalism. Arguably it's already here.

One of the founders of wiki has been screaming into the void for the last decade about how fucked up the site became. Larry Sanger. He has some really interesting writing if you're interested to learn more about wiki's "neutrality" and weird-ass sexual content policies.

weird-ass sexual content policies

Mmm, let me guess.

He was pushing for an option to do a sort of opt-in filter for Wikipedia - similar to Google SafeSearch - so people wouldn't encounter surprise obscene images. His blog has recently been taken down, not sure if by him or censored, but here is a link to some HackerNews comments of Sanger's article from a bunch of men that think porn should be easily accessible to children: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4046243

Lol. Well, I looked him up. The top page of results is Wikipedia in different languages, then links to his blog which says just “This account is suspended”. That’s one way to drum up interest in your ideas!

https://unherd.com/thepost/wikipedia-co-founder-i-no-longer-trust-the-website-i-created/

Weird, his blog was up just a month ago - I guess his hosting provider didn't like what he had to say! I guess I have a mystery to dig into tonight.

I really hope she finds her way here, somehow. What a queen.

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