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The quote that really caught my attention In a time of escalating and cynical right-wing attacks on so-called wokeness, some practitioners I spoke to called for their movements to do better at making space for the still waking. They want a movement that, on the one hand, is clear that things like respecting pronouns and fighting racism and misogyny and xenophobia are nonnegotiable and that, on the other hand, shows a self-interested gentleness toward people who haven’t got it all figured out, who are confused or even unsettled by the onrushing future.

Oh yes, the US so "enlightened left" will treat pronoun offenders gently unlike "the enlightened" Germans and Brits who call the police. But wait, how many people in the US or Canada have been fired? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/opinion/midterm-democracy-crisis.html

The quote that really caught my attention *In a time of escalating and cynical right-wing attacks on so-called wokeness, some practitioners I spoke to called for their movements to do better at making space for the still waking. They want a movement that, on the one hand, is clear that things like respecting pronouns and fighting racism and misogyny and xenophobia are nonnegotiable and that, on the other hand, shows a self-interested gentleness toward people who haven’t got it all figured out, who are confused or even unsettled by the onrushing future.* Oh yes, the US so "enlightened left" will treat pronoun offenders gently unlike "the enlightened" Germans and Brits who call the police. But wait, how many people in the US or Canada have been fired? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/opinion/midterm-democracy-crisis.html

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Not going to give this clicks, but I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that anyone who is "not woke" (whatever that means today) can be categorized as "still waking" or "unsettled" or "confused." I don't oppose mandatory wrong-sex pronouns because I'm not educated or enlightened. I oppose them because I've reflected on this issue deeply and believe that using female pronouns to refer to males is harmful to women. I also oppose compelled speech.

It's extremely common for "progressives" to assume anyone who disagrees with them is stupid, ignorant, or bigoted.

They seem to be the last ones to realize that sneering at the electorate, or telling them their concerns are not legitimate is not exactly a great strategy for getting new voters.

You mean the "oh you poor little idiot, let me show you the correct way" self-righteous lunatics yelling at people on TikTok is not the way to get people on your side?

This article infuriated me for so many reasons and your statement would be so compelling if the NYTimes would print it in their comment section.

As far as I'm concerned, they are the ones who are asleep when it comes to women's rights

shows a self-interested gentleness toward people who haven’t got it all figured out

Everything old is new again. Let me predict how this will work out:

  • Man messes up pronouns: "Let's show him our self-interested gentleness."
  • Woman messes up pronouns: "Burn the witch!"

I mean, totalitarian movements tend to be big on having new adherents publicly announce how they've seen the error of their former ways and now are on the True Path; to do that, you need to make space for the heretics to convert and disavow their wrongthink before they're permanently silenced.

how on earth are pronouns mentioned in the same breath as racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. the former are narcissistic attempts at policing others language and the latter are issues that have been killing people for millenia. this sort of implied equivalence is ridiculous.

[–] Peppermint 14 points Edited

This is the top comment with 611+ likes.

"* if we are losing the battle for hearts and minds then look no further than identity politics for the primary cause. It isn't the Democratic Party economic agenda that has turned off voters en mass. Yes, there are legitimate questions about the role of stimulus on inflation, and we can stray into a spend spend spend mentality as the way to solve all problems, but mostly the economic message lands well with most voters.

Contrast that with the social change agenda that has become ingrained in the intent and purpose of the Party. You won't find this agenda on any formal Party priorities list, yet we have allowed far left activists and their Progressive enablers to effectively steer the message, creating myriad self-inflicted wounds and openings for Republicans to turn the tables on us. This happens when self-righteousness takes over, when absolutism takes hold, and when we believe we are right and good and true and those who disagree are wrong and bad and false.

That's how righteous protests about Police brutality become a referendum on looting and Defund the Police.

That's how a border crisis and family separations becomes a referendum on Abolish ICE and open borders.

That's how free speech gets consumed by words as violence and "safe spaces".

That's how wokeism and anti-racism become part of cancel culture and rejected by voters.

That's how transgender sports and alternative pronouns strays into the absurd.

These are all losing issues for Dems."*

[–] LunarMoose 25 points Edited

condescension 101.

f-off NYTimes. I used to have a subscription. No more.

Thing is, they don't care about our subscriptions anymore. Their new funding model is based on running advertorials for corporate conglomerates including the techno-medical industries driving "transgenderism"

The Post is the same way; I cannot count how many days it’s been since articles or references to the trans weren’t on the front page (yes, there’s a big one today).

Yeah I keep seeing ads for Boston childrens hospital. Very odd.

I am personally staying on for pieces from Pamela Paul and for the community of people there who are totally against the trans agenda . This was an opinion piece but so was hers. Opinions are always going to get people rattled. And this particular piece was a guest essay, whatever that means. Does that require a special invite or can anyone write and get published in opinions?

I''m not sure the writer refers to people as "still waking" as something the "practitioners" he spoke to said or if its his own words. The fact that he mentioned it as "non negotiable" is highlighting how authoritarian the left seem to be so not sure.

I can't read it because I unsubscribed, but your quote definitely reminds me of how a friend reacted when I gently objected to her homophobic mockery of actual lesbians and her total disregard for the wellbeing of women (other than those who identify as men). She said it wasn't my fault I had been tricked and bamboozled by extremists from the UK. I think it was her desperate attempt to reconcile the knowledge that I am rational and benevolent with her belief that not agreeing with trans ideology is evil and ignorant. It's obviously not the case that legitimate objections exist, right? Right?

"the onrushing future"--give me a break, the future is what we are FIGHTING OVER!

Wow. The choice for voters in Nov is liberal democracy or fascism! I didn’t know that!

“Democracy” without some regulations, turns into mob rule. 51% get to bulldoze the 49%. Which is why the US has a complicated political system of checks & balances. And why we have “democratic” and “republican” parties. Not Dems and Nazis.

Yeah, democracy is in crisis. But not the way the NYT thinks it is.

“The thing about our movement is that we’re too woke, which is why we don’t have mass mobilization in the way that we should,” Linda Sarsour, a progressive organizer based in Brooklyn, said to me.

The fact that the NYT calls Linda Sarsour a progressive with a straight face is one of the many reasons I no longer feel the label "progressive" applies to people like me.

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