"what does the term woman even mean? it doesn’t REALLY mean anything. in society when you’re born you are either a man or a woman and no one ever lets you forget it. they are just words really - everything else that you associate with those words are just things we made up. 'feeling feminine' is also kind of like that. most people with associate femininity with delicacy, nurturing and prettiness but those things are just stereotypes that come from a long and complicated history which is filled with misogyny and backwards traditions."

How can you recognize this but still embrace gender ideology?

These are children and this is really sad.

those things are just stereotypes that come from a long and complicated history with misogyny and backwards traditions

Yes

But now can they understand that stereotypes shouldn't force other people to pretend and give males access to female only spaces and force everyone to go along with an ideology that believes in using "men" and "non-men"

Hmmmm. Despite the T reference, I can't help wondering if grizzcat is a stealth terf trying to deprogram the brainwashed women of r/agender......

I'm not even really trying to rag on these two in particular. I just want to feel some optimism, and I think it's young women and girls like this who feel how wrong the idea of gender is. And maybe I'm projecting some, because I see myself being able to fall for some of this if I grew up completely inundated with its propaganda and believing it to be the truth. But, I broke out of religious programming and I eventually shed my teenage NLOG phase, and that's how I know it's not impossible to move forward. And it starts with these small discomforts and doubts.

"I want to be seen as just a human and not a woman" we all do! It's misogyny that makes people see us as less than human because we are women. None of us want that. And if you feel that sick feeling watching men put on a woman costume and act like what their porn addled brain thinks a woman should be, know that they don't get to decide what women really are. They are liars and charlatans. Woman is a descriptor of your body, nothing more or less. You are free to be whoever you want. Do whatever you want. Act however you want. None of that matters and none of that is relevant to "womanhood"

Let me guess - 90% of the redditors there are female?

I hope they hurry the fuck up and "get it."

So sad.