Recently, a lot, because the Olympic boxing has become my thing I cannot let go. It has cost me real life friends and meant saying goodbye to long established accounts on some platforms. I don't intend to shut up right now. I was quiet too long. People are happy that women were beaten by males in a combat sport. People are HAPPY about this. I just cannot refrain from challenging it.

No doubt at some point I'll be quieter again but right now it just feels impossible.

I do when I see the opportunity, but I don't spend all my time doing it. I don't bother at all on places like Reddit.

In real life I focus on "planting seeds" rather than winning, as it's far more effective at actually changing minds.

Online I let rip and let my frustrations out because I don't have to worry so much about consequences. I focus on a few simple facts, rather than long-winded detailed explanations of why something is wrong. Psychologically the more detail you add, the weaker people find your argument, even if everything is incontrovertible!

I dont "debate", I called it "pigeoning"; drop some shit and fly off. Im not checking on responses from what is most likely a bot anyway. Ill drop a comment of pure truth if I feel like it but I dont owe anyone more than that.

I have wasted my time in the past, but not anymore. People online are not looking into having a debate or learning anything. They want to have the last word, "own" people, show everyone that they are right and smarter. It's a complete waste of time and energy. I also found out there are people who argue for fun, I don't want to engage with such losers.

I used to, there was a sub r/GCdebatesTQ and probably other places on Reddit where conversation was actually allowed. It was interesting to talk to people on the other side, obviously they didn’t convince me but it gave me a better understanding of what they think they’re doing and why. And pretty often they’d see where I was coming from too, and we’d end up finding some common ground.

That’s completely impossible now. Even the mildest “wrongthink” comment anywhere gets downvoted to oblivion or outright deleted, if anyone does engage it’s only to hurl insults and abuse, because how dare anyone have a slightly different opinion.

And it’s not just trans issues either, or just Reddit. The number of people actually interested in a discussion is completely dwarfed by all the virtue-signallers, attention seekers, and bots of course, who just hurl insults at “the other side” so they’ll get applauded for it.

Online discourse is basically dead - Ovarit is probably the only site I feel like I’m actually talking to other humans.

Okay. .so my first post talked about keeping my thoughts to myself more and more. But

...today my son brought the subject up and as he's the only one, of 4 siblings, who will talk about it with me....he told me I am the one in the wrong, that I should apologize for my critical stance and that since all 4 of them were of the same opinion that it was me in the wrong. The word rabbit hole was used and he thinks I've been corrupted by bad people. He cried,, I cried, it was a pretty shitty talk.

😔

I don't because it'll earn you a ban at worst and ostracization at best on most platforms. If it didn't, I would. Since Reddit will ban any dissent, these people never see different opinions and assume that everyone is on their side except for evil bigots. I wish we could debate without being censored. And not just censored, but banned from using the platform altogether. If TRAs realized that reasonable people disagree with them, they might be more tolerant of opposing views. Instead they think that the only people against trans ideology are literal terrorists.

No, because it's not really debating. It's just people screaming their opinions. And aside from Ovarit, I don't spend much time online.

Yeah, I was a regular on the debate sub on Reddit before it was banned. I miss the conversations there. I understand why we can't have that on Ovarit, but I did like being able to converse freely with the other side.

I used to spend a lot of time “debating” about gender on Facebook. Now I will occasionally throw out a comment and then mute the replies. I feel at this point it’s better to signal to other GC or trans critical people that they’re not alone in questioning this stuff than to get entrenched in a debate with a true believer.

I do occasionally... But good lord sometimes people say stuff that just makes my head hurt. Some of it is just so... Lacking in self awareness. Like these people don't understand the things or people they're supporting works love to stone them in the streets or worse

I did in the past. Now I mostly do it irl or with potential love interests.

These days I would only get into it online if I felt like someone was being pilled on or attacked unjustly for something I agree with.

I used to, on changemyview, before they banned everything related to trans. Now I don't because everywhere on reddit my comments would just get removed and I'd get banned

edit: and I don't have any social media besides reddit and here that I actually use to comment. I have a twitter account but just view and like things

I don't anymore because I've got banned from various places for saying stuff that shouldn't even be controversial. Occasionally I'll reply to stuff on twitter, but rarely. It also takes a toll on my mental health. The people who I see engaging with it constantly amaze me.

In real life I do, though it probably wouldn’t look like a “debate” from the outside. Online it’s worse than a waste of time.

I never talk about this with people in real life.

I’m also kind of a hermit so.

Same as you Meow. I had so much pushback from my adult children about my gender critical stance that I decided to stay quiet.

Edit....But I do have one messageboard where I can express my feelings. It's a New Zealand site and not moderated by trans overlords 😅 like reddit is. And yeah the people there would rather be kind wearing blindfolds than with their eyes wide open and seeing the unfairness.