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In-Person Radfem/Gender Critical Groups?
Posted October 24, 2021 by butchGC_writer in FeministEvents

Is anyone aware of any groups similar to the Chicago Feminist Salon meeting in person in other major US cities? I know Austin TX has a strong lesbian community but I haven't heard of any similar group there.

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NotCisOctober 17, 2022

Not going to give this clicks, but I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that anyone who is "not woke" (whatever that means today) can be categorized as "still waking" or "unsettled" or "confused." I don't oppose mandatory wrong-sex pronouns because I'm not educated or enlightened. I oppose them because I've reflected on this issue deeply and believe that using female pronouns to refer to males is harmful to women. I also oppose compelled speech.

[Deleted]October 17, 2022

It's extremely common for "progressives" to assume anyone who disagrees with them is stupid, ignorant, or bigoted.

AdelphiMinOctober 17, 2022

They seem to be the last ones to realize that sneering at the electorate, or telling them their concerns are not legitimate is not exactly a great strategy for getting new voters.

PerenelleFlamelOctober 17, 2022

You mean the "oh you poor little idiot, let me show you the correct way" self-righteous lunatics yelling at people on TikTok is not the way to get people on your side?

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FrankieDuckOctober 17, 2022

This article infuriated me for so many reasons and your statement would be so compelling if the NYTimes would print it in their comment section.

AmareldysOctober 17, 2022

As far as I'm concerned, they are the ones who are asleep when it comes to women's rights

LilianHOctober 17, 2022

Here is an archive if you want to read it without giving them a click.

https://archive.ph/A9RPL

FrankieDuckOctober 17, 2022

Sorry I thought I had posted the archived article.

velvetpawsOctober 17, 2022

In that case you’re on the right - the FAR right!

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DonnaFeminaOctober 17, 2022

The "still waking"? Oh, fuck the NYT.

MissBehavedOctober 17, 2022

People are definitely waking, but it is not in the way the NYT thinks.

grrrandmaOctober 17, 2022

shows a self-interested gentleness toward people who haven’t got it all figured out

Everything old is new again. Let me predict how this will work out:

  • Man messes up pronouns: "Let's show him our self-interested gentleness."
  • Woman messes up pronouns: "Burn the witch!"
OwnLyingEyesOctober 17, 2022

I mean, totalitarian movements tend to be big on having new adherents publicly announce how they've seen the error of their former ways and now are on the True Path; to do that, you need to make space for the heretics to convert and disavow their wrongthink before they're permanently silenced.

shewolfoffranceOctober 17, 2022

Oh, god. You are so right.

redactedOctober 17, 2022

how on earth are pronouns mentioned in the same breath as racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. the former are narcissistic attempts at policing others language and the latter are issues that have been killing people for millenia. this sort of implied equivalence is ridiculous.

[Deleted]October 17, 2022(Edited October 17, 2022)

This is the top comment with 611+ likes.

"* if we are losing the battle for hearts and minds then look no further than identity politics for the primary cause. It isn't the Democratic Party economic agenda that has turned off voters en mass. Yes, there are legitimate questions about the role of stimulus on inflation, and we can stray into a spend spend spend mentality as the way to solve all problems, but mostly the economic message lands well with most voters.

Contrast that with the social change agenda that has become ingrained in the intent and purpose of the Party. You won't find this agenda on any formal Party priorities list, yet we have allowed far left activists and their Progressive enablers to effectively steer the message, creating myriad self-inflicted wounds and openings for Republicans to turn the tables on us. This happens when self-righteousness takes over, when absolutism takes hold, and when we believe we are right and good and true and those who disagree are wrong and bad and false.

That's how righteous protests about Police brutality become a referendum on looting and Defund the Police.

That's how a border crisis and family separations becomes a referendum on Abolish ICE and open borders.

That's how free speech gets consumed by words as violence and "safe spaces".

That's how wokeism and anti-racism become part of cancel culture and rejected by voters.

That's how transgender sports and alternative pronouns strays into the absurd.

These are all losing issues for Dems."*

LunarMooseOctober 17, 2022(Edited October 17, 2022)

condescension 101.

f-off NYTimes. I used to have a subscription. No more.

[Deleted]October 17, 2022

Thing is, they don't care about our subscriptions anymore. Their new funding model is based on running advertorials for corporate conglomerates including the techno-medical industries driving "transgenderism"

ALoudMeowOctober 17, 2022

The Post is the same way; I cannot count how many days it’s been since articles or references to the trans weren’t on the front page (yes, there’s a big one today).

estinaOctober 17, 2022

Yeah I keep seeing ads for Boston childrens hospital. Very odd.

[Deleted]October 17, 2022

I am personally staying on for pieces from Pamela Paul and for the community of people there who are totally against the trans agenda . This was an opinion piece but so was hers. Opinions are always going to get people rattled. And this particular piece was a guest essay, whatever that means. Does that require a special invite or can anyone write and get published in opinions?

I''m not sure the writer refers to people as "still waking" as something the "practitioners" he spoke to said or if its his own words. The fact that he mentioned it as "non negotiable" is highlighting how authoritarian the left seem to be so not sure.

Nediljka_OrwellOctober 17, 2022

Get some subs to some nice Substacks instead. A better value.

bannedrui_resinOctober 17, 2022

I can't read it because I unsubscribed, but your quote definitely reminds me of how a friend reacted when I gently objected to her homophobic mockery of actual lesbians and her total disregard for the wellbeing of women (other than those who identify as men). She said it wasn't my fault I had been tricked and bamboozled by extremists from the UK. I think it was her desperate attempt to reconcile the knowledge that I am rational and benevolent with her belief that not agreeing with trans ideology is evil and ignorant. It's obviously not the case that legitimate objections exist, right? Right?

realityismykinkOctober 17, 2022

Better a "pronoun offender" than a sex offender.

WatcherattheGatesOctober 17, 2022

"the onrushing future"--give me a break, the future is what we are FIGHTING OVER!

ProxyMusicOctober 17, 2022

“The thing about our movement is that we’re too woke, which is why we don’t have mass mobilization in the way that we should,” Linda Sarsour, a progressive organizer based in Brooklyn, said to me.

The fact that the NYT calls Linda Sarsour a progressive with a straight face is one of the many reasons I no longer feel the label "progressive" applies to people like me.

Nediljka_OrwellOctober 17, 2022

Wow. The choice for voters in Nov is liberal democracy or fascism! I didn’t know that!

“Democracy” without some regulations, turns into mob rule. 51% get to bulldoze the 49%. Which is why the US has a complicated political system of checks & balances. And why we have “democratic” and “republican” parties. Not Dems and Nazis.

Yeah, democracy is in crisis. But not the way the NYT thinks it is.

firebirdOctober 17, 2022

"Self-interested gentleness" sounds a bit like an oxymoron to me. If you're the right side of history surely you can think of better ways to convince people to join you than weirdly disingenuous attempts at being nice.

[Deleted]October 17, 2022(Edited October 17, 2022)

I want to see the comments section of this article but I can't find it. Your article link points to a different article entirely. The Uncomfortable Truths That Could Yet Defeat Fascism. Was it renamed?

Edit: Nevermind I see the quote embedded in the article. thank you.

[Deleted]October 17, 2022

So which is it to be, fighting misogyny or pandering to it via the trans shit? They’re mutually exclusive.

RawSiennaOctober 17, 2022

No.