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What ‘gender apartheid’? It’s based on sex
**but according to the UN it's only those who ID as women who get oppressed. If only women were smart enough to just say 'nah, im a dood' or 'nonbinary', none of this would be happening
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Well. Short of cultural imperialism, there's no way to do this.
I think the only way to ethically do anything about it, without cultural imperialism, is to not allow them to come to Western countries and practice their ways here. We don't go over there, they don't erode women's rights where we are.
If they find themselves in a pickle with a revolutionary generation, as Iran is now, we don't intervene. Either Islam triumphs or it doesn't. If Russia decides Afghanistan is a better investment than Ukraine because no one will come help the Taliban, we still don't help.
We don't go over and force change ourselves, though. Again, they either win their conflicts or they don't.
I have to admit I don't give a damn about cultural imperialism when the native culture in question is built on the systemic human rights abuses and enslavement of women and girls. This is a male power fantasy masquerading as a society, and their future and humanity should outweigh any other consideration.
the taliban came from Pakistan and islam itself is a cultural imperialism spread by islamic empires since 711AD.
Also many countries condemned apartheid in South Africa, is that cultural Imperialism? A minimum of condemning human rights abuses/putting pressure isn’t imperialism it’s stating human rights are always human rights you can’t use culture as an excuse.
You speak as if Afghan women agreed with the Taliban regime. And Islam as defined by the Taliban is not the last word on Islam.
Unfortunately, the vast, vast majority of men agree with the Taliban, and sadder still, much of the female population is brainwashed, too. Think about it- eternal happiness OR eternal damnation is at the end of the tunnel. If you truly believe that, it makes no sense at all to pursue happiness in this life if it means eternal suffering in the next.
The Taliban has their scripture right. First of all, things fall into place when you understand that the Taliban culture is Pashtun culture. They're not some outside force. They are not colonizers. And they haven't misinterpreted anything. The Quran isn't vague. It's very specific, concrete, and repetitive, lest you hope for something that can be ignored. Erdogan is right. There's no "radical Islam." There's only Islam. There are people who adhere to the rules and people who don't. The Taliban adheres.
The king wanted to update and uplift his nation but never managed, because his people were this hot-headed before the Taliban even existed. He had to test releasing photos of the queen unveiled to check where there were riots, so he would skip building there. He knew any work would be sabotaged. The communists picked up where he left off, and were having a hard time of it, too. The worst thing America ever did was feel sorry for the Pashtuns, that those mean old communists wanted to take away their religion. This new generation of communists were trying to humanely get rid of the religious problems, so as not to repeat what Stalin did. They were still communists, not hippies in a drum circle. But nothing like what they once were. They might have done better if they had been, since Stalin didn't even try this soft Islam thing.
The reason no one ever made any headway is that they have no theological arguments besides "c'mon, lighten up, will ya?" The Pashtuns are extremely adherent to Islam, and the Taliban is not mistaken about any Islamic scripture. They didn't get it wrong.
Christianity has plenty of scriptural room to chill the fuck out. Islam doesn't. Lots of Muslims genuinely wish there were a way to do it, but there simply isn't.
So yes, the Taliban is pretty much the last word on Islam. They're not making Islam in their own image. They're following the scripture as it is written.
Many Afghans correctly view the Taliban as going back to their traditional culture, the way it always was before foreign interference. For them, it feels like going back to normal.
There are women that are definitely suffering, especially women who got a taste of how good life can be when you're not chained to Islam.
But there are plenty of women, the vast majority, who are banking on a heavenly afterlife. They don't see the value in their daughters being educated. They don't see the benefit of female liberation if it means eternal hellfire.
We should have stayed out of it when they fell to communism. It was hard to watch what the communists were doing and stand by, especially since we feared communist expansion. But it would have been so much kinder to not interfere.
Afghanistan was far better under the communists, the USA should have left them alone, I think the USA knows islam turns every country it touches backwards, thats why they support it so often, to destabilize countries that were otherwise growing in power and could be a threat. the USA tries very hard to stop countries obtaining modern technology weapons, Islam is anti-progress.
So they're throwing women under the bus to stop progress?
Yeah, sounds about right.
That's because Americans have long believed that any religion is better than no religion. They vaguely understood that Christianity was better than Islam, because they themselves are Christian. But nothing was worse than atheism.
Americans fell for Republican propaganda because they didn't know much about Islam. It was actually lefties who sounded the alarm that these people were not our friends. Believe it or not, Republicans were the first to play the bigotry card, and it worked. Like many of their endeavors, it blew up in their faces later.
It was actually lefties who sounded the alarm that these people were not our friends. Believe it or not.
Then what the fuck happened to the left?
I cannot believe that the vast majority of women are onboard with the Taliban regime. For one simple reason: If this were the case, the Taliban would let those women who don't like it leave. Much easier to rule a nation of obedient sheep, after all.
But from what I've heard, they're preventing women from leaving. Which is exactly what the GDR did with its intellectuals, and likely for the very same reason: They need them, and they know they want to leave in large enough numbers to be a threat to the regime.
Likewise, I am sure that Islam doesn't forbid old men from raping six year olds. However, as far as I know, it does not require it to happen, either. Some women might think that one could very well set up a perfect Islamic society wherein poor families are not forced to sell their daughters into sexual slavery.
Just let women leave? Thats not really what entitled men of any creed are into. Abusers are most likely to kill women when they try to leave.
For one simple reason: If this were the case, the Taliban would let those women who don't like it leave.
No. They would never do that. They'd never set the precedent of giving women an option rather than announcing what's it's going to be.
The Taliban does have a problem in that they can't provide for their people. As far as Afghans are concerned, they have no shortage of theocrats, so they think they can get theocrats that can feed the people.
Likewise, I am sure that Islam doesn't forbid old men from raping six year olds. However, as far as I know, it does not require it to happen, either.
Men actually are encouraged to model Mohammad's behavior, even if it's not explicitly required. This is why parallel cousin marriage is so common, despite the well-known disastrous results. If you do not allow the men to marry 9 year olds, you are admitting that what Mohammad did was wrong. Even discouraging it is admitting it. Afghans, especially Pashtuns, just won't have that. You keep forgetting: they are meticulous believers. Not general believers, not overall believers, but down to the last detail believers.
I cannot believe that the vast majority of women are onboard with the Taliban regime.
Many are, though. For ones that aren't, it's not even over women's rights most of the time. In fairness, I'd be more worried about lack of food and medical care first, too.
But put yourself in their shoes for a second. Imagine if you had been raised to believe that if you are disobedient to your father or husband, or pick up kaffir habits even slightly, you will burn in hell for all eternity. You've never been outside that environment, and no one in your family has for centuries. No one in your neighborhood. No one in your village. You have no real modeling of the outside world, and the Americans and Russians that came were both disasters.
It makes all the sense in the world to play a long if you truly, truly believe that. You can learn to read and write and stuff in the afterlife, right? You'll have supernatural slaves that will do everything for you, so just do all housework and farming now.
So yeah, unfortunately, a lot of women are indeed on board.
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It sounds as if you assume Afghan women know absolutely nothing about history, science, or the outside world.
There's a small population of privileged women, mainly from Kabul, that are not only educated but very educated. Small portion. Even when the Americans were there, we weren't able to educate everyone.
Hazara girls have always been taught to read and write, but they've had to do this in secret locations so Pashtuns don't find out. Hazaras follow Shia Islam, not Sunni like the Pashtuns. So they are traditionally persecuted by Pashtuns. The Pashtuns will probably kill them all off eventually.
The vast majority of the country is rural and most of the men are uneducated. So yeah, the majority of Afghan women haven't had access to the outside world.
That's the point of forbidding education- is to keep people in that state. It's a human rights violation. If it didn't affect people negatively, you wouldn't be upset.
Worse still, it works so well that most people don't know that their lack of education is what is holding them back. They can't fathom anything that's going on so even become afraid of the outside world.
I think this is exactly why, as I have recently read, they have started recruiting female spies to report on what Afghan women discuss among themselves.
This is targeting the educated women that remain, but demand is going to outpace supply. It will turn into a witch hunt where women plain old make shit up because they need the money to turn someone in.
Sorry, but there's no evidence that 99% of Afghans are peace-loving moderates, secretly speak 3 languages and want female liberation. They want food, running water, electricity, and medical care, but that's kind of it. They don't understand why the Taliban's regime isn't going to work, because they're not educated enough to understand basic economics in a developed nation. If they had, they would have started public executions of the Taliban themselves while the Americans were still there.
The only reason why Afghans were fed up with the Taliban the first time around was the Taliban couldn't figure out how to feed the people. That was it.
We were horrified by them chopping off girls' noses. We were horrified that they chopped off people's hands. We were horrified that they stoned women to death.
All of that was normal throughout Afghanistan, despite the monarchy's attempts to stop it, and the communists' attempts to stop it. The reason it was so hard to wean the people off those practices is because the majority of Afghans are Pashtun, and they are extremely devout.
You can't seem to get past the idea that culture is more than recipes, holidays, arts, and clothes. It includes mannerisms and beliefs. It's hard for a Westerner to understand that some cultures don't have any individualism. Many of them are highly conformist, and aggressive ones will kill people for deviating from the norm.
Even the Amish in the US have to allow for individualism, though it means losing members. That's because they are in an endless ocean of a nation that allows for individualism. They can ostracize former members, but that's all. Cults don't actually last that long in the US, even though we have many. There are just too many exit points. You can see with your fucking eyes that the outside world is doing just fine.
In Afghanistan, you're in an endless sea of conformists. Aggressive, violent ones. True Believers. You're just not going anywhere.
There will always be a few who are blessed to find the exit of the labyrinth.
In the US, people in cults are in a small labyrinth with many exit points.
In Afghanistan, they are in a huge labyrinth with few exit points.
If it makes you feel better, the Taliban will eventually fail. Even the Taliban has to provide bread and circuses, and they're having trouble with that. The Afghans want to live like the Saudis.
Unfortunately, many will believe it's just a matter of finding the right theocrats. Anyone who knows that Islamism is the problem will have to leave the country or keep quiet. It's a very unhappy fate, that their only real hope is to have their culture taken over by another force, that destroys their way of life. The various small techniques didn't work.
It's the stuff of nightmares. Something a dystopian writer would dream up, but it's real.
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Some are trapped and have nowhere to go, but the majority of both men and women are brainwashed. When it's all you know, all you have access to, all you've ever been told, that's going to be the effect.
It's not that everyone secretly knows this is all bullshit.
The people in North Korea largely still believe the crap they're told. There are indeed some that know it's all a crock. But even many escapees who made it to South Korea still think that Kim Il Sung was a divine hero, and it was Kim Jong Il who went astray. Brainwashing works, make no mistake about it.
That doesn't mean it's okay to keep people in that situation.
This is a huge moral dilemma. Should an outside force, or inside dissident force, take over and forcibly change the Afghans so that they are no longer connected to their traditional culture? (As Muslim conquerors did when they took it over?) How much bloodshed would that entail? Should such a force do it anyway, for the benefit of future generations? Or do you stay out of it, and accept that the majority don't really want change? Do you enable the abuse by picking up the slack with food, aid, Doctors Without Borders, or do you let them sink through isolation?
It's a huge moral dilemma. I really don't know. I could totally understand why some beret-donning self-important SJW would call that evil colonization. I also understand why some beret-donning self-important tankie would say "let's do it, because we can't let this cruelty continue."
It really would be an example of breaking eggs to make omelets. Remember, all the surrounding countries with mild Islam used to look and act just like Afghanistan. But breaking eggs is a cute way of saying "brutality and bloodshed."
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Force would absolutely work. The other ways you mentioned have been tried, to no avail. In fairness, if you truly believed eternal damnation was a possibility, no bribe or punishment would be sufficient to change your mind.
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We don't have any way of knowing what Afghan women really think.
We can infer by how the country is doing, and what the women know. If the only information they've ever gotten is that non-Muslim women are hell bound wh*res then we can infer that's what they believe, because that's all they know. We can infer it because plenty of Muslim women in the West outright say they believe that. This is like saying we can't truly know if the majority of Evangelical Christians are anti-abortion. Yes we can. Of course we can.
As to the rest of it, Islam is a cultural identity as well as a religion defined by a body of scripture.
You try telling one of these Pashtuns that their Islam is just a cultural identity, and not the One Truth Path To God And A Blissful Afterlife. You just tell them that and get back to me. Yes, they want to enforce their culture right down to manner of dress. But they would be highly offended that you claimed their Islam wasn't about heading to Jannah. To them, nothing is more important. You're using Western psych/academia babble they don't relate to. For them, this about the will of God.
Rock, paper, scissor, GOD.
The vast majority of Muslims all over the world, including Afghans until recently, manage to reconcile their religious identity with basic humanity.
Actually, they don't. They manage to live normal day-to-day lives as the environment allows. By their own scripture, they don't object to what ISIS did to the Yezidis, because that's what's supposed to happen. They don't object to the poor treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim dominated areas. They don't object to the murder of homosexuals. They don't object to the murder of women and girls if the motive was family honor.
There are some Muslims who want Islam to be different than it is. They want to believe in Allah, the afterlife, and that their precious religion is actually good, not horrible. That's very understandable. But it's a decompression period where they start to find out that Islam is false and toxic. Scientologists go through a similar process, where they think L. Ron Hubbard was a great guy and it was David Miscavige who ruined Scientology. They do the "free zone" thing but eventually come to the conclusion that no, the whole thing was foul from the beginning.
So you have to understand, these are people on their way out of Islam. Not in the thick of it. They are poor representatives of what Islam is.
The vast majority of Muslims might be too squeamish for war, but they also don't have a problem with those that jump in headlong. Look at the terrorist groups they produce, far beyond any other religion.
With a religion, especially this non-interpretive, very concrete and detailed religion, you either believe it or you don't.
You just don't seem to understand that Islam is not loosey-goosey.
I def saw videos of afghan women singing in protest of the laws against their voices in public. There a women fighting, so we do know what they think they think it’s shit they’re asking why the world abandoned them to non human status.
Russia would be a huge improvement over the Taliban, heck if they want to go take over then, great.
They can't seem to control their own Islamists, though. Islam totally ruined my belief in freedom of religion. Russians now have that. They should have kept going with state-enforced atheism if nothing else.
Perhaps a sociologist could produce research to say that doesn't work either, and you have to forcibly replace one religion with another. I'm sure the ancients would say "of course" because that's how they always did it.
Even ancient societies that allowed for different religions would pick one troublesome one and stamp it out. They didn't stamp out Christianity in time and so Christianity stamped them out. In fairness, a lot of lower classes liked Christianity for the free, happy afterlife that previous pagan religions didn't provide.
the taliban forrunners enforced cultural imperialism when the mujaheddin took over the country why does their "cultural imperialism" get a free pass just because they are brown too?
It doesn’t. Littleowl said we should stop them from spreading
"Later this month, in the UAE, the Afghan men’s cricket team will play South Africa. A bitter irony.
"Throughout the apartheid years, sporting boycotts were used to pressure Pretoria to end violent white supremacist rule and to punish its bar on black cricketers. The world took a moral stand: we refused to fill stadiums with cheering fans for a racist state.
"Without wishing to diminish that evil regime, the Taliban is a far more meticulous oppressor. Black children received an inferior education but could still attend school. Black people were barred from many jobs and received pitiful pay yet could still earn a living. Those corralled into black townships kept the most basic human freedoms: to play music and sport, to dance, sing, laugh and chat with friends, or simply feel the breeze in their hair."
PREACH!