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DiscussionWhat games have major female characters who have proper complex personalities?
Posted April 30, 2022 by HalfMentalAlchemist in Games

Character writing for women has always been pretty sketchy due to the male dominance in game development. Most of the time they tend to be very archetypal, relying on hackneyed ideas like the Three Faces of Eve which is prominent in JRPG character writing. I want to see women that act like real people, not a bundle of stereotypes for male gratification.

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mean_tomboyMay 1, 2022(Edited May 1, 2022)

Dragon age 2 rpg takes place over several years. I like the friendship (or rivalry too, there's a interesting system on how you can influence them) that the three companion characters can develop with you and each other in that time depending on your choices. There's Merrill (a naive mage who makes a deal with demons), Isabela (a promiscuous pirate but who knows very well how men work) and Aveline (a true protector and friend). Even your main character can have 3 different personalities depending on your choices.

TheWatcherMay 1, 2022

Vote up for Aveline, the only non-fuckup in the gang and also not romanceable. Forever crie

CaptainLavenderMay 1, 2022(Edited May 1, 2022)

Loooove Dragon Age 2

[Deleted]May 5, 2022

This was the best written one in the series, I think. The romances were really well written too. I wish this game got more love.

eyeswideopenMay 1, 2022

Another DA2 fan here. Loved the game and its characters (yes, even Anders), though they rushed development and it shows.

pennygadgetMay 1, 2022

Clementine from the Walking Dead series is a stand out. She's not sexualized (She's a young child for most of the series). And, because of her age, playing her relies more on making good choices than being able to fight. And I like the dimension of playing her caretaker initially before she becomes the main character. It makes the player feel more attached to her and invested in making sure she's ok

fightlikeagirlMay 1, 2022

Offhand I'd recommend:

  • Horizon Zero Dawn
  • Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
  • The Last of Us 2
  • Rise of the Tomb Raider
  • Assassin's Creed Odyssey

And Detroit: Become Human, with the caveat that it has more male gaze than I prefer, but Kara is an excellent character.

pennygadgetMay 1, 2022

And Detroit: Become Human, with the caveat that it has more male gaze than I prefer, but Kara is an excellent character.

I thought North was the most interesting character (she was the Brothel-Bot who killed a John and joined Marcus' revolution). I was surprised that a David Cage game actually showed prostitution for what it is (ie overwhelmingly dangerous and violent) and showed multiple sex robots to be traumatized and desperate to leave

fightlikeagirlMay 1, 2022

I played a more pacifist Marcus so North hated me pretty much the whole run, lol. She is a really interesting character though.

ratherbecomesMay 1, 2022

I'm surprised by that. I find Kara to be incredibly dull, her defining character trait "Alice Alice Alice". I'm sick of female characters being saddled with kids for their plot point while the males are off fighting in revolutions.

pennygadgetMay 1, 2022(Edited May 1, 2022)

I'm sick of female characters being saddled with kids for their plot point while the males are off fighting in revolutions.

Mothers and caretakers are just as valuable as soldiers. A female character doesn't need to be shooting guns and punching people constantly in order to be an interesting character

Also, the conflict of keeping Alice safe was an interesting one (though I think the twist with Alice being a robot ruined it)

I could be wrong, but I think being stuck with kids is more of a trope with men in video games than women (ie Bioshock, Walking Dead, Last Of Us, etc). Kara is the only playable character i can think of who got saddled with a kid

ratherbecomesMay 1, 2022

No, they don't need to be fighting to be interesting, that's true. I suppose my problem is more with female characters saddled with these plots across media, no just video games. I admit it's also a matter of personal taste, so we'll just have to disagree here. It's a shame how little the overall plot is affected if Kara dies.

fightlikeagirlMay 1, 2022

I guess how she dealt with abusers while recovering from her own trauma resonated with me. I also really liked her relationship with Luther as she learned to trust others and built her own little family. The carousel scene literally had me tearing up 😭

CaptainLavenderMay 1, 2022

Agree, she was the worst part of the game for me. Although I didn't like it much outside of Connor's parts

GlaDOS is the best female character with a complex personality but I dont think being a mentally disturbed robot is what your talking about is it.

Committing_TerveryApril 30, 2022(Edited April 30, 2022)

Fallout: New Vegas :) Such an amazing game. All the personalities are fleshed out. So much detail and good plot lines.

They have a couple lesbian characters on there, and one (Veronica) says she faced a lot of shit because she’s a lesbian. You can also choose same-sex (homosexual and bisexual) answers in conversations, and even... hook up with them. Lol. Male characters also have this option.

Many/most female characters are complex, well-acted, and talk about their hardships... especially companions to the player’s character. There are 2 of them that are really well-written. The companion characters up to you over time, and reveal things about themselves. You have to work to get close to them for them to trust you.

It’s worth trying... I think Steam (PC) has it for a decent price now ($20 or under, and sometimes they do sales).

DerpinaMay 1, 2022

Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West is my no.1 favorite female character. She is just EVERYTHING.

Female Eivor and Kassandra from the last two Assassins Creed games (Valhalla and Odyssey) are in no way different from their male counterparts. Big weapons, heavy armor, smartass answers and dozens of decisions you can make to shape the game.

A plague tale: innocence has young teen in medieval times protecting her child brother (who is somehow linked to the plague) from the inquisition and grows up from being a a carefree wild noble child to a young mastermind of murder and science.

TheWatcherMay 1, 2022

Three Faces of Eve which is prominent in JRPG character writing.

Don't forget being pretty as motivation for mass murder. I will never shut up about this, but JRPGs suck.

Mass effect trilogy is pretty good, esp Tali (if we are to try and avoid female story stereotype as much as possible). Dishonored series; lots good characters in general.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm noticing western games male gaze mosty only lessens when a male-mentor/protector to a child/female adolescent is a major plot point or sidequest. Mass effect has Anderson, The last of us (guy character), Tomb raider (uncle/guy/dead character), Witcher 3 (less than the previous titles, probably cos now there's Ciri), The walking dead, Wolves among us.

I could probably think up more, but eh.

[Deleted]May 5, 2022

Damn, you’ve got a good point. I never thought of that but I think you’re right.

SamhainMay 1, 2022

Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and the sequel. Claire and Jill from the Resident Evil remakes. I haven't played them yet, but I've heard good things about the newest Tomb Raider series. I've also always loved the point-and-click Nancy Drew games from Her Interactive.

Aloy my beloved <3

Life is Strange?

It has a compellingly mysterious story, unique game mechanics that don't rely on gun violence, and weird and supernatural stuff. It's so sad though, it really hits you in the heart. I still think about it.

fightlikeagirlMay 1, 2022

LiS definitely sticks with you long after the ending. I'm one of the few who didn't romance Chloe, I felt like Max let her get away with too much because she wanted her approval. I liked her much better with Rachel in Before the Storm because she wasn't afraid to call Chloe out when she needed to.

pennygadgetMay 1, 2022

I second Life Is Strange (though, sadly, none of the sequels are any good). The relationship between the 2 leads is compelling. And the time mechanic is fun and unique

starstuffMay 1, 2022

Skyrim is pretty good with this. Also, the player character can be male or female, and all relevant NPC dialog lines were actually recorded twice, so your character is always referred to with correct sex-based pronouns.

I already have hundreds of hours in Skyrim.

DerpinaMay 1, 2022

Then maybe TESO would be interesting?

Introvert85May 1, 2022

Ellie from TLOU 1&2

sylviasmushroomsMay 1, 2022(Edited May 1, 2022)

The bog witch in Wytchwood is so charmingly written. I appreciate that she’s not only the protagonist but her practical no-fuss attitude gives the game and the dialogue so much humor and flavor. She wears a feature-obscuring helmet throughout the game but still explodes with personality, highly recommend if you like a pretty and dreamy fetchquest!

OwnLyingEyesMay 1, 2022(Edited May 1, 2022)

I actually really like the Witcher II and III for this (and people can feel free to disagree). I suspect it's because they created a world where the main (male) character isn't always the most important (or most loved) person in it and that emphasizes shades of grey and choosing the lesser evil, and consequently tends to avoid making most characters purely good or bad. Yennefer pisses so many gamer dudes off, it's glorious, because her dynamic with the character you're playing, Geralt, is very switched from the usual male-female romance dynamic in games. She doesn't fawn over him. She has her own agenda and doesn't consult with him before doing it; she's smarter than him and knows it, and frequently doesn't have the time or the patience to try to humor him or explain herself. In spite of the whole fate-binding thing between them, she has her own life. A number of the other sorceresses are also complex characters, and even the ones you find yourself at odds with (such as Philippa Eilhart) tend to not be just cartoony villains (and you are often presented with the opportunity to help them/side with them at various times). The lodge of sorceresses basically tries to stage a coup d'état because men make shitty rulers and they're pretty sure they could do a better job of it, and...they're not even really condemned as wrong about that in-game, but they just aren't ultimately successful at taking over. There's a Joan of Arc-esque character in the Witcher II, Saskia, as well, and she has some interesting character details and very explicitly tells the main character he isn't her type if he hits on her. Witcher III has Cerys, who may be one of the few instances in many fictional stories, period, where women who claim to be able to hold their own against men aren't smacked down in some way for for it, and her strength is in intelligence and ability, not giving her male physical strength. The lore includes characters like Queen Calanthe. There are more.

Many of the female character designs are absolutely intended to be beautiful and sexualized, however (with the sorceresses at least there's the rationale that shapeshifting to be more attractive gives them more influence with the various rulers they advise).

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