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fixingentropyOctober 18, 2024
OMG this is good news! May every country follow. Of course in a truly just world it would be outlawed entirely, but we can at least start with protecting our kids.
LillithOctober 17, 2024
I really never thought porn band would become a thing. But they have happened in several US states and now an entire country.
The cynic in me imagines that the companies must not have lost any real amount of income or else they'd be lobbying the politicians to return to the status quo.
jelliknightOctober 18, 2024
Theres a line from david graebers 'the democracy project'
youve been doing this so long, you kind of forget that you can win. All these years, we've been organising marches, rallies....and if only 45 people show up youre depressed. If you get 300, youre happy. Then one day you get 500,000. And youre incredulous: on some level you'd given up thinking that could ever happen.
This is a great start. I’d like to see more done about the porn industry as a whole but I’m glad to see that there is a move in this direction.
Edited because of my fat thumbs - I obviously meant porn and not pork. I’m not anti-pork.
[Deleted]October 18, 2024
Fantastic! I would love it if the state I live in, in the U.S., would do the same.
Brilliant news. I hope the UK follows. I do wonder whether this sort of ban will include things like pornography on reddit
Okay I am MILDLY concerned. Does this include websites such as Fanfiction websites (primarily used by women) too? Or art forums (also used to a large degree by women)?
Edit: I 100% agree with banning porn that involves actual human beings, but what specifically does porn website mean? Onlyfans is technically speaking not just for porn. So are they also banning SFW creators? What about Fanfiction or Fanart websites? I personally enjoy Fanfics and Fanart, including raunchier ones, but also SFW. Do they only ban the 100% porn websites there (which I think should be better protected but not neessarily entirely locked) or also ones that are mostly made up of SFW or slightly suggestive stuff?
And the most important question to me:
What about obvious fetish content? A bunch of kids shows have very obvious fetish content and there have been multiple scandals in the past. I would honestly much rather see them prohibit fetish content, at least on the clearweb or in Media. I have come across real life pictures of feet on plates, decorated as a dinner. Does that count or do they just say "this is not suggestive, therefore it's not banned"?
I am asking this because I don't know the specifics, but I have helped female creators from france before with translations that DID produce pornographic artwork (drawn). So I am honestly wondering about them.
TheLesbianPoetOctober 18, 2024
I understand your concern. This has been a debate in the feminist movement since the 70s. But fanfiction, art, experimental photography, writing would fall under erotica while video and photos of people in sexually explicit and violent positions would fall under pornography. I'm not sure if the French government has this nuance though.
xuxunetteOctober 18, 2024
Never gonna happen, burning books will bring France sooner to the revolution than burning Notre-Dame.
[Deleted]October 18, 2024
These are usually for the larger sites with real people like Pornhub and Xvideos. I haven't seen fanart types of sites be targeted.
thedistanceOctober 18, 2024
I’ll check the article again, but I thought they were only going after 17 sites?
RandomRhinoOctober 18, 2024
I read it but the phrasing was a bit offputting. So I hoped someone knew a bit more.
I understand why you would cheer for this, but it's really not about protecting minors from porn. It's just about giving the government more sweeping power to control the internet and surveil citizens. Any time that the government seeks to expand its power like this, it does so in the name of fighting some social ill (like, in this case, porn). Not only that, but it isn't going to stop minors from accessing online porn. Sure, it may affect the big-bucks mega porn sites that everyone knows, but there are literally millions and millions of porn sites based all over the globe, and blocking all of them would be literally impossible. Protecting kids from porn sites is their parents' job, not the government's.
And no, I am not defending porn - quite the opposite, in fact. Porn is evil. But so is sweeping government power.
FutureBreedMachineOctober 18, 2024
Protecting kids from porn sites is their parents' job, not the government's
You know, a lot of us had abusive and/or neglectful parents. The first time I saw porn was when I was an elementary school kid because my abusive father forced me to watch it. What about us? I noticed kids like that never occur to or matter to people.
sunshine_punkOctober 18, 2024
While I agree with you that I don't trust governments in general to have people's best interests at heart, porn is such an epidemic that it needs to be controlled somehow.
I've recently seen how gambling companies operate and the amount of knowledge they have about their users is insane... They know exactly where you are when you gamble, what apps are on your phone, your verified identity, etc. They keep records of people who have addictions and issues. And they know all this because they will be slapped with fines if you make a bet you are not supposed to. And many people still complain that online gambling is too accessible.
Porn companies need that much oversight, at least. Money (and laws) are gonna talk to those companies more than feminists will, unfortunately.
[Deleted]October 18, 2024
The government isn't a perfect entity and has many problems, but it's laws that drive it and society to be better. The government is ultimately about participation, so if women participate in it they can drive it in the right direction.
Fluffy_genderOctober 18, 2024
Protecting kids from porn sites is their parents' job, not the government's.
I disagree. Many parents are negligent about internet access. Doesn't mean their children deserve to suffer
CaeruleaOctober 18, 2024
It is also impossible for a parent to fully control their child's internet access. The children are at school and at friends' houses, for example. The library. No parent are (or should be) hovering over their child 24/7. Some harmful things need to be centrally regulated.
thedistanceOctober 19, 2024
Protecting kids from porn sites is their parents' job, not the government's.
This is true, but it's reasonable to expect the government to put in some effort to assist in that regard.
For instance, alcohol and nicotine products are restricted. Stores that sell them are required to card you. If we removed that barrier, it would be much easier for minors to purchase those products independently, and much harder for parents to monitor.
If porn were only available physically, the mandatory restriction wouldn't even be a thought.
I also think there's the potential for a buffer zone around the government. The government mandates an age control, but how that's carried out is still up to the sites.
Yes. I said that on an other thread regarding the making of exceptions in law to crack down on individual internet use for cases related to sexual crimes. I think the downfall of said laws are always higher than the expected benefits. States have many tools to crack down on rapes/traffic, and they do not. Not because they are powerless, but because they can't be bothered. Plus, it keeps us in our place, so all the better for States that do not want to be overthrown. More legal tools to crack down on individuals, in the long run, will be used against us.
Edit : and could we start thinking about what "age check-ups" mean on the internet. Providing a copy of you identity card/passport to a private entity ? Who will then release it to the authorities when requested to do so ? First, this system starts with porn sites, nobody has a problem with that. Then, it is extended to news sites, because minors cannot be exposed to war pictures or accounts of dismembered bodies ? Then the government knows who reads what ? Can you see the blackhole of danger here ?
What do you propose to protect minors from exposure to pornography?
Anonymity on the Internet for the average user is a myth. Unless you're some Julian Assange grade hacker, governments all accross the world can track you if they want. And look at what happened to Julian Assange in the end.
Vouivre_in_meOctober 18, 2024
Julian Assange was never anonymous. He was the face of Wikileaks right from the start. That's part of the reason why he was arrested : an anonymous hacker/leaker could go on with his job. But someone who defies so blatantly the authorities cannot be let go. (That being said, I am not a fan of how he handled the leaks).
And like I said on an other thread : protecting your traces on the internet is not as complicated as it seems. Does it restrict drastically the types of software that you can use ? Yes. The problem being, people usually want to do everything on the same machine : their banking, their buying, their reading, their writing, their mailing... If you want to protect yourself, this is not possible.
This requires planning. A lot of it : which activities do I want to remain untraceable ? Once you have the answer to that question, you can plan how to act to remain anonymous in regards to such activities. This is the key to effective solutions. Thinking it's impossible from the start is what is driving you to failure.
Now, in regards to your question : you cannot "protect" minors from exposure from pornography. First, because boys seek it. They do not want to be "protected", as they are entertained by it.
The question shouldn't be about "resticting access" as it does not work. The only way to stop anyone (not just minors) from consuming porn is to stop the spread of this mysogynistic degradation. Settling down for anything less than that will result in failure.
thedistanceOctober 19, 2024
Now, in regards to your question : you cannot "protect" minors from exposure from pornography. First, because boys seek it. They do not want to be "protected", as they are entertained by it.
There can still be a few guardrails in place. Just because some want to jump the pen, doesn't mean they should all be pushed into it.
From a 2022 report by Common Sense Media:
More than half of teens encountered online pornography accidentally.
58% Ever viewed pornography "accidentally." 29% only accidentally; 29% both accidentally and on purpose.
44% Ever viewed pornography "on purpose". 15% only on purpose. 29% both accidentally and on purpose.
I think these numbers are significant. It's not only boys we aim to protect (though some are surely in that 29% as well). I think even reducing these numbers can result in a positive change. While they may still seek it out, the number of those with access, and the amount they can access, can lessen the impact (such as addiction or how normalized the violence is).
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France actually gives a minute shit about women. Rights to abortion is written plainly in the constitution. I wish they would drop the gender woo woo and they would be on top of the list for women's rights.